Ashley Deeks on International Regulation of National Security AI
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
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🗓️ 28 March 2023
⏱️ 37 minutes
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Summary
States are increasingly turning to artificial intelligence systems to enhance their national security decision-making. The real risks that states will deploy unlawful or unreliable national security AI make international regulations seem appealing, but what's the right model for them?
Ashley Deeks is the Class of 1948 Professor of Scholarly Research in Law at the University of Virginia Law School. She's just published a paper for Laware's ongoing Digital Social Contract research paper series, in which she argues that, instead of looking to nuclear arms control as the model for national security AI regulation, states should look to how cyber operations are regulated. Lawfare Senior Editor Alan Rozenshtein spoke with Ashley about her research and what a successful regulatory regime for national security AI would look like.
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| 0:29.0 | Some have suggested that you create a new international organization |
| 0:37.0 | that has parallels to the international atomic energy agency |
| 0:41.0 | that would help conduct inspections, that would provide regulatory guidance, and so on. |
| 0:48.0 | And as I dug into those references to the nuclear analogy, |
| 0:53.0 | it struck me that there were really some quite important differences between nuclear weapons |
| 0:57.0 | and national security AI, including the fact that it is very hard to count the weapons right in the nuclear space. |
| 1:05.0 | It's a tangible, a nuclear weapon is a tangible thing, a warhead is a tangible thing. |
| 1:11.0 | Much harder to count something like the use of an AI tool. |
| 1:17.0 | Verification is really different. |
| 1:19.0 | I think it is quite difficult to verify whether a state is engaged in the development and use of AI tools. |
| 1:26.0 | And there's also no government monopoly on AI tools in the way that there is in the nuclear weapons space. |
| 1:34.0 | I'm Alan Rosenstein, and this is the LawFair podcast March 28, 2023. |
| 1:40.0 | States are increasingly turning to artificial intelligence systems to enhance their national security decision making. |
| 1:46.0 | The real risks that states will deploy on lawful or unreliable national security AI makes international regulation seem appealing. |
| 1:53.0 | But what's the right model? |
| 1:55.0 | Ashley Deeks is the class of 1948 professor of scholarly research and law at the University of Virginia. |
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