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Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Primal Blueprint Podcast. If you're listening to this, this is also a video episode as well. I'm going to start to do more of those. Today we have Ashley Van Houghton with us,

one of my favorite ladies in this space. She also is the editor of my book Confident as Fuck,

and an incredible writer and an author

of a new book that I'm really excited about called It Takes Guts, a meat eater's Guide to

Eating Awful, Awful spelled OFF-A-L, which means the internal organs of animals. So it's an

organ meat cookbook. We're going to talk all about how she got into that. She is also the host of an

amazing podcast, The Muscle Maven Radio, or just Muscle Maven Radio, check it out. And she's an

incredible fitness and, you know, health expert and sort of consultant in our space. And I mean,

she literally helped me figure out how to get my book finished and figured out and all the stuff

that had to do with it. So I'm a huge fan. Always have been welcome back to the show, Ashley.

Thank you so much. Always super excited to be chatting with you. And on this podcast, it's still like

I pinch myself that I get to do this. So I'm pumped to me here. When you've

written articles about Mark Sisson, so, you know, we've known you for so long, probably like the past eight years. You've been in this space a really long time. You were like one of the first, other than me, other than women that were coming in here. But for people that don't know you and haven't heard maybe a previous podcast. Let's talk a little bit about, because you, I mean, some of the

photos that you have of you when you were like a bodybuilder sort of bikini bodybuilder competitor, I look at that and I'm like, who is that woman? Tell us, like, how did you get into fitness? What age and then what rolled you into the competition and we'll go from there okay i'll try to be as succinct as possible

you know i'm a talker so i can go forever so you just you just you know speed me up if needed

um but basically i've kind of just always loved muscles i've always been interested in fitness

and sort of the human body and what it's capable of. So as a young kid, you know,

I had older brothers. So I was watching like wrestling and American Gladiator. And I just kind of

always appreciated shows of strength. And as I kind of was getting older and growing up, like I wasn't

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