Hi and welcome to the working songwriter. The show of today's best songwriters come to Talk Shop.

I'm your host, Joe Pug. Each episode here,

we host a distinguished guest, and we ask them to go deep on their inspiration, on their process,

on the general ups and downs of making a life in music. So, whether you're a grizzled veteran,

begrudgingly joining TikTok to promote your new

greatest hits album or else a scrappy upstart, begrudgingly filing taxes for the first time

after a few years of under-the-table bar gigs. This is your show show because ultimately it is what every writer seeks

most, an ironclad excuse to put off actually writing.

Hey everybody, it's the third Friday of October 2022, and I thank you for joining us.

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