You're listening to, atheistically speaking. Oh, Hey everyone. Welcome to atheistically speaking.

This is episode 32, and I'm your host Thomas Smith.

All right, well, I don't want to keep you waiting.

I want to get right to part two of the discussion with Jake Far Wharton about the death penalty and

goes a little off the rails toward the end but I think it's entertaining and I

think there's a lot of good stuff so I'll see you afterwards for some more commentary so

here's the rest of that interview.

Yeah and that's a maybe that's a good time to talk about.

If you were an alien and you were looking at this situation somehow understanding

everything we're saying, you would almost think that religious people, you don't almost think it would be flip-fop.

You almost think atheists would be pro-death penalty and religious people would be against it in a certain sense.

In that... I think the exact

opposite I mean no of course it is the exact opposite I just mean in certain respects

it's funny that that religious people who are all about you you know, forgiveness and who are, you know.

Yeah, I see what you mean, yeah.

It's interesting. You would, and they're all about, you know, if you believe in a God, for one,

why would you ever believe that any human was beyond saving or beyond changing?

That there's a sense that, you know, this is the sense I mean it in. I mean, if in a god if I really believed no matter how bad someone was I would think well there's no they can't be broken God wouldn't make a broken person you know they wouldn't't make someone who's just evil.

Why would he do that?

Just so they could create evil and kill people.

So there's got to be a way we can save this guy.

We got to be able to turn around.

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