You're listening to, atheistically speaking. Oh, Hello everyone welcome to episode 30 of atheistically speaking. This is Thomas Smith, your host.

Okay, so I don't want to delay much in playing part two of my debate with Elijah T

Because I know you all have been waiting for it. You've had to wait unless you're on

Patreon of course

So I'm just gonna go ahead and go right into it and then we'll have lots of other stuff after that so here it is

The whole idea that it's outside of the space time and matter as we know it would imply

that this thing exists the conclusion is that whatever this is exists and it is in

fact outside of time space and matter.

And I think any materialistic or I don't want to say atheistic because it's not really a positive

worldview which is kind of like a no God doesn't exist but any kind of a

materialistic or a naturalistic explanation for this doesn't make sense and so

it has to be something what about what I mentioned earlier I mean what about

describing it by analogy of us making a computer simulation?

I mean, why couldn't you say that it was a, you know, it has some naturalistic explanation,

but it's just not part of our nature.

It's part of whatever nature exists in the reality sort of that we don't have access to.

Well, right, and I think this gets into the whole idea of metaphysical necessity.

Is it, let's imagine that you create some kind of a

conscious being in your in your computer simulation right and the computer in the

in your computer simulation there's a very brilliant young little whatever you want to call it little computer dude who who

starts to think about his existence and then he starts to think that oh there are these

certain attributes of this particular world that I live in that makes

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