You're listening to, atheistically speaking. The Hello and welcome to atheistically speaking.

This is episode 237 and I am your host Thomas Smith.

All right, well, here it is.

Here it is, we've done it.

It's, you likely already know by now this is what I've been trying to get to

have happened on the show for a while I've complained a lot about people like

Dave Rubin I know I won't repeat it but I've complained about the echo chamber there.

Regressive left, regressive left, regressive left. As long as we make fun of trigger warnings,

then we're all on the same side.

And then the same thing goes for the other side.

There are some shows where all they do is to Strama and the other side

and talk about how they're racist or transphobic bigoted in many different ways that I don't think are quite accurate.

So I've criticized both sides and I've long since said there ought to be something better.

There ought to be a better way to actually have a conversation. And for the longest time I'll admit I wasn't really able to do it. I try to provide counter examples and questions whenever I can whenever I'd have Eli on or someone

from the other side, I'd do my best, but I am kind of in the middle.

I don't really consider myself far on either side of this so I've much preferred if I could

somehow get two competent players on each side to competent proponents of

whatever the side I know people won't exactly agree what the sides are if they're on the sides but whatever

People who are on two sides of this issue to have a real discussion on an actual discussion that isn't just name calling and

straw manning, but that's actual argument. I thought it's been darn

near impossible to get to have happened, but fortunately we are very lucky that we've got the right

to people to have it and I think it's finally happened. A little note before we get

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