You're listening to, atheistically speaking. Oh, Hello and welcome to atheistically speaking this is episode 232 and I'm your

host Thomas Smith I am so happy to have you with me today so we are on schedule usually this would be a commentary

episode this would be that kind of thing but I had a listener reach out to me by

the name of Ben Young and we had tweeted back and forth some different stuff he comments

and participates a lot on Facebook and Twitter and we wanted to have a

conversation I thought maybe this would be like the commentary except with someone else.

So we just had a bit of a back and forth pretty casual but also we got to some real

interesting areas of discussion and some cool stuff came out of this.

So I hope you like what you hear.

It was fun to talk to Ben.

So here it is. Oh, Joining me right now is one listener Ben Young the third. How you doing?

I'm doing good Thomas. Thanks for having me on.

Thank you for coming on. Now Ben had emailed me something that it was kind of a

disagreement between us I think a little bit and the reason I wanted to have

you on is it's it's a point of view that I actually I bet a lot of people share that listen or they might share so I think it's cool to talk about it and to maybe try to reach a consensus or whatever we can and understanding on our approaches.

But anyway, before we get to that, why don't you introduce yourself, tell the audience a little bit about yourself?

There's not a whole lot to tell.

I came across your show by searching on the iTunes podcast app for atheist shows

and you were one of the first ones that popped up.

Nice.

And yeah, I really got into it and I was adding people on Facebook and you accepted my friend request

and I just send you, I remember reaching out and sending you a message saying,

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