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Who Hurt You?

Artist Travis Alabanza - Identity, gender and being wrong (Part Two)

Who Hurt You?

Sofie Hagen

Depth, Conversation, Comedy Interviews, Interview, Activism, Female, Comedy, Fat, Mental Health, Chat, Health & Fitness, Self-help, Feminism, Society & Culture

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 29 April 2020

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

In part two of a two part conversation Sofie talks to Travis Alabanza about performing Burgerz, theatre, class, making new work, safety, generosity, gender, control and queer and trans friendly therapy.


Trigger warning – coronavirus, therapy, structural oppression, transphobia, TERFs, violence, racism, misogyny, misgendering, prisons, gender dysphoria, fatphobia, bodies, trauma


Artwork by Justine McNichol

Jingle by Harriet Braine

Produced by Dave Pickering


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0:00.0

I only want to talk if I feel like people are in a generous mood to listen.

0:04.8

I think generous listening means that we understand that someone is coming from a place of

0:09.2

context, coming from a place of nuance, coming from a place of understanding their own ability to be wrong

0:15.8

Coming from a place that they want to be good. You know I was like starting to be like I only want to put things out to people that are coming to me with that generosity.

0:24.0

You are listening to made of human also known as the mole

0:28.3

a podcast hosted by Sophie Hagen who is a Danish comedian

0:35.0

Mowo trying to find out how to do life

0:40.0

but it turns out nobody knows

0:47.0

Mopah

0:51.0

Welcome back to the second part of the Traverse Alebancer chat that I had. If you have not listened to last week's episode, which was part one, you might want to go back and give it a little listen. I highly recommend skipping past the first, what is it, four hours where I just ramble and ramble and ramble with nowhere to go.

1:10.8

Oh, if that's what you're in to, then do listen to it. I'm in a I've been

1:15.7

listening to a lot of podcasts and because I'm in this isolation I mean I say it as

1:20.8

if I'm the only one which by the way in the future the context of this episode.

1:26.7

This is mid-pandemic, this was recorded I think on day 20 something of the lockdown. I'm recording this a bit later and I've been inside now for 35

1:40.0

6, 7, I don't know, so I've lost count a month over a month and I've now started I've already

1:48.9

texted 1X of course I have I've already taken questionable nudes and sent them to consenting people of course.

1:58.1

Develop new crashes. You know all I've bought a ukulele you know all I bought a ukulele you know it's just um just just just

2:06.6

just the normal sort of stuff that you do in isolation and one of the things I did was I so dumb. I went back in time and listened to not a recent but like within the last year episode where my ex was another ex was interviewed and it was the most frustrating thing.

2:31.0

I was 10 years younger than I am now when I dated him and he was 10 years older than me and I would tell him, not going to make me sound good, but I would tell him what was wrong with him.

2:50.0

You know? I'd be like, oh, you do this because of this thing in your life and I'm pretty sure that your parents,

2:58.0

this thing has made you do this thing. And you know, like it was just very, very very obvious he was kind of easy to read and his

3:07.2

I don't know it was I just remember being like listen these are your issues if you want to work on them.

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