This is simple.

I'm Tish Oxen writer. Hey friends in this episode I'm chatting with my friend and co-host

Crystal Ellifson and as always we're talking about what we wrote about

this week. Crystal wrote about making space for creativity when you

have young kids. So in our chat she talks about why it's so important to make time

for whatever it is you love without the added burden of doing it so that you're a better

mom or a wife or neighbor or human or even because the final result is something you

can use you know just doing it because you love it, not to sell it or whatever, basically just

for fun to play.

She makes the astute observation that we don't play enough as adults.

And then this week I shared with you my current short list of work

tools I'm using right now because I always love reading other people's lists.

So in this chat with Crystal I'm talking about how I'm using the idea of deep work and shallow work

and time blocking my calendar so that I tap into my peak energy levels to get more done

in less time. And I guess so I can make time to play like Crystal reminded me.

So this is a good chat about work and play. We'll get right into it, but first if you

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All right, so without further ado, here is Crystal and me talking about making time

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