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Infamous America

ARSONISTS Ep. 2 | John Orr: “The Fingerprint”

Infamous America

Black Barrel Media

True Crime, Documentary, History, Society & Culture

4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2025

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

In 1987 and 1989, destructive fires erupt in conjunction with arson investigation conferences in California. Bakersfield Fire Captain Marvin Casey doesn’t believe the timing is a coincidence. He finds a fingerprint on an incendiary device at the scene of one of the fires, and he believes the arsonist is a firefighter. On Casey’s short list of suspects is arson investigator John Orr. Join Black Barrel+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: blackbarrel.supportingcast.fm/join   Apple users join Black Barrel+ for ad-free episodes, bingeable seasons and bonus episodes. Click the Black Barrel+ banner on Apple to get started with a 3-day free trial.   On YouTube, subscribe to INFAMOUS+ for ad-free episodes and bingeable seasons: hit “Join” on the Legends YouTube homepage.   For more details, please visit www.blackbarrelmedia.com. Our social media pages are: @blackbarrelmedia on Facebook and Instagram, and @bbarrelmedia on Twitter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

A slow buildup of suspicious fires had been happening in the Los Angeles area for about 10 years,

0:19.4

from the mid-1970s to the mid-1980s.

0:23.1

The fires were centered around the small communities of Glendale and Pasadena, both of which

0:28.3

sit below the San Gabriel Mountains northeast of L.A. Some of the fires were in the dry,

0:34.3

brushy hills that led into the mountains. Others were in big retail stores,

0:39.2

like supermarkets or home improvement centers. Up until 1984, firefighters and the general

0:45.7

public had been lucky, all things considered. The fires had done limited damage before they were

0:51.4

put out by sprinkler systems or alert employees or fast-acting fire

0:55.9

crews. But the luck ran out on October 10, 1984. That night, at about 8 p.m., a fire started at

1:04.2

Oli's Home Center, a home improvement store in South Pasadena. The fire tore through the building

1:10.1

and destroyed it with shocking speed.

1:13.1

Four people died, two employees, and a grandmother who was with her two-year-old grandson.

1:19.1

At the same time, a fire was burning in a supermarket a few blocks away. And a couple hours

1:24.7

earlier, there was another fire at a different supermarket.

1:28.4

At both supermarkets, the fires started in the potato chip aisle.

1:32.8

Investigators declared those fires arson.

1:35.9

But the destruction at Oli's home center had been so thorough that it allowed the lead investigator on the case,

1:42.4

a longtime deputy with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's

1:45.2

Department, to classify the fire as undetermined. The deputy sheriff believed the fire was likely

1:51.6

an accident caused by faulty electrical wiring. Others weren't so sure, and one man, John Orr, knew

1:59.4

it wasn't an accident. John Orr, knew it wasn't an accident.

2:09.2

John Orr was the arson investigator for the Glendale Fire Department, the department that served the community that was right next to Pasadena. He was a respected investigator,

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