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Are you morally ambitious? With Rutger Bregman (Part One)

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🗓️ 6 May 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Moral ambition is the will to make the world a wildly better place. To devote your career to the greatest challenges of our time. To be one of the best, but measured by a new standard of success.’ – Rutger Bregman The brightest minds of our generation may dream of changing the world. But in reality most high achievers will settle for making a lot of money for themselves and their family. World renowned historian and bestselling author Rutger Bregman is on a mission to change that. In April, Bregman came to Intelligence Squared in venues across the UK to convince us that in our age of crisis, we need to stop wasting our talent in jobs that solely provide personal enrichment. Instead if we want to live a successful life we must devote our careers to making the world a radically better place. Bregman discussed why in 2025 social progress is not only stagnating in places but actively going in reverse. He argued that there are lessons from history that can help us overcome this trend and explain that the greatest change-makers have always needed to be both idealistic and ambitious. Drawing from his new book Moral Ambition: Stop Wasting Your Talent and Start Making a Difference, he discussed why efforts to ‘raise awareness’ of social problems are overrated and uncover what he believes are the real qualities that have made change possible. He told the stories of some of history’s great changemakers such as the German soldier who refused to salute Hitler or the Cambridge University student who dedicated his life to abolishing slavery. Bregman explained what made these changemakers so persuasive, influential and effective in achieving their goals. He showed how we, too, can lend our talents to the biggest challenges of our time. With moral ambition he argued, we can do more than be on the right side of history: we can start to make history itself. In addition to the book Rutger Bregman will be launching The School of Moral Ambition. To find out more click here --------- This is the first instalment of a two-part episode. If you'd like to become a Member and get access to all our full ad free conversations, plus all of our Members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared episodes, wherever you get your podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series - 15% discount on livestreams and in-person tickets for all Intelligence Squared events  ...  Or Subscribe on Apple for £4.99: - Full-length and ad-free Intelligence Squared podcasts - Bonus Intelligence Squared podcasts, curated feeds and members exclusive series … Already a subscriber? Thank you for supporting our mission to foster honest debate and compelling conversations! Visit intelligencesquared.com to explore all your benefits including ad-free podcasts, exclusive bonus content and early access. … Subscribe to our newsletter here to hear about our latest events, discounts and much more. https://www.intelligencesquared.com/newsletter-signup/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Last year, Amazon was the world's largest corporate buyer of renewable energy.

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Meaning all and more of our energy comes from wind farms like this one.

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Guys, what happened to recording that a solar bomb?

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To learn more, visit about amazon.com.

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U.K. forward slash sustainability.

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The autopilot order.

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Now, informal, the strong urge felt at the ordering kiosk or drive-through

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that takes over the entire body and mind and

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results in a person ordering a Big Mac without even having to think. Related phrases,

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looks like I've ordered a Big Mac again. The autopilot order at McDonald's.

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Surf from 11am, subject to availability. Welcome to Intelligence Squared. I'm producer

0:53.0

Mia Serente. Today I'm here with Head of Programming, Connor Boyle.

0:57.2

Connor, what have we got coming up on today's episode?

1:00.4

Well, we've got a real treat for our audience today with Rooker Bregman returning to the podcast.

1:06.3

Many of you will know him for his sort of viral takedown of the elites at Davos when he basically scolded

1:13.7

the audience for talking about philanthropy and all the ways billionaires can help society,

1:19.3

conveniently leaving out the kind of big thing, which is tax, and he had this sort of viral

1:22.7

clip on social media in which he said, I feel like I'm at a firefighter's conference and

1:26.9

we're not allowed to talk about water. That was sort of his big announcement, the world stage, but he's

1:32.6

been writing these brilliant books and people may be aware of Utopia for Realists was his first

1:37.4

one, then humankind, which was this sort of brilliant counterfactual analysis of human nature where instead of people thinking the

1:47.0

lord of the flies type thing if we're all left on an island will all become savages and start

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