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Katie Gus Gustafson.

Good grief.

I've tried three times.

So we're just going to roll with the one with that one.

But you've been on the podcast multiple times. We have psychotherapist and enneagram specialist here with us today.

Welcome back, Katie. Thanks, Kelly. So fun. I'm so excited about this topic. You always come with

this different flavor of the ideagram and we've dissected it

in multiple different ways. We are both fours and so we have this like cadence when talking about an

enneagram. We love to talk about this. I know. I know. We get on a roll too. We do. But this topic is

something that's really interesting to me because I've always wondered is our enneagram number like nature versus nurture kind of thing?

Are we born this way?

Did we learn how to be this way?

Is it a survival skill?

And I thought what you brought topic wise kind of tied into answering that in a whole different way.

Because we're talking today about the

eneogram as it relates to authenticity and can you speak a little bit to what you've typically

heard about the eneogram and authenticity yes i love this idea that the root word of authenticity is author.

And the enneagram, if it's anything, is a map of our survival strategies.

I love this idea that our personality or enneagram type style, whatever you want to call it,

is like our survival strategy for planet Earth. And if you look at the word personality,

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