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The President’s Inbox

Are We Ready? | The Economic Security Challenge, With Jonathan Hillman

The President’s Inbox

Council on Foreign Relations

Politics, News:politics, News

4.4734 Ratings

🗓️ 3 December 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Jonathan Hillman, senior fellow for geoeconomics at the Council, sits down with James M. Lindsay to discuss the steps the U.S. government should take to protect and support American firms developing critical new technologies such as artificial intelligence, quantum computing, and biotechnology from predatory foreign challenges without stifling its own growth and innovation.   This is the seventh episode in a special series from The President’s Inbox, bringing you conversations with Washington insiders to assess whether the United States is ready for a new, more dangerous world.   Mentioned on the Episode:   Council on Foreign Relations, U.S. Economic Security: Winning the Race for Tomorrow’s Technologies   For an episode transcript and show notes, visit The President’s Inbox at: https://www.cfr.org/podcasts/tpi/are-we-ready-economic-security-challenge-jonathan-hillman

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0:00.0

Three, two, one.

0:03.0

The world has turned dangerous.

0:05.0

Is the United States prepared to meet the new challenges it might face? In this special series from the President's inbox, we're bringing you conversations with Washington insiders to assess whether the United States is ready for a new, more dangerous world.

0:29.5

For decades, the United States government treated national security and economics as separate worlds,

0:33.4

but the new era of great power rivalry is blurring the line between the two.

0:38.8

Globalization deepened economic interconnections between countries, but that interdependence created economic vulnerabilities that rivals, and particularly China, are exploited. Because while the wars

0:44.2

of yesterday were fought with tanks and guns, the wars of today are economic, and they are underway.

0:49.4

The United States is now looking to craft an economic policy fit for a world of geopolitical

0:53.9

competition. Much of that

0:55.5

debate is focused on the steps Washington should take to protect its lead in critical technologies

1:00.2

by slowing Chinese innovation. Equally important, though, is crafting policies that build on American

1:05.7

strengths to promote U.S. innovation. That raises critical questions about government's role in the market. Can Washington

1:11.9

find the sweet spot that promotes economic security without stifling growth and innovation?

1:18.0

From the Council on Foreign Relations, welcome to the president's inbox. I'm Jim Lindsay. Joining me

1:23.7

today is Jonathan Hillman, a senior fellow for geo-economics here at the council.

1:28.3

He recently directed the council's independent task force report titled U.S. Economic Security,

1:33.9

winning the race for tomorrow's technologies.

1:36.6

You can find a copy of the report at cfr.org.

1:40.1

John, thank you very much for joining me.

1:41.7

Thanks for having me.

1:43.0

Listen, where I'd like to start with is with a phrase, and that phrase is economic security.

1:48.0

I don't recall reading much about it in the 2000s, 2000s and tens, but now it seems to be a term that is dominating conversations here in Washington, D.C.

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