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Lost Debate

Are We Getting Stupider?

Lost Debate

The Branch

News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.6607 Ratings

🗓️ 18 December 2025

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

Are We Getting Stupider? Andrew Rice joins The Lost Debate to ask an uncomfortable question: why are America’s schools getting worse—even in places that claim to care most about equity? Drawing on sobering national data and reporting from affluent liberal districts, Rice argues that declining standards, political complacency, and the abandonment of accountability have quietly erased decades of progress for kids. Ravi and Rice debate how both parties walked away from what worked—and why lowering expectations has become a substitute for real reform. It’s a sharp, urgent conversation about education, power, and who pays the price when adults stop demanding better for children. Andrew Rice’s article The Big Fail (NY Magazine, Nov 2025) ------------ Leave us a voicemail with your thoughts on the show! 201-305-0084⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Ravi at @RaviMGupta Notes from this episode are also available on Substack: https://thelostdebate.substack.com/ Read more from Ravi on Substack: https://realravigupta.substack.com Follow The Branch at @thebranchmedia Listen to more episodes of Lost Debate on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lost-debate/id1591300785 Listen to more episodes of Lost Debate on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7xR9pch9DrQDiZfGB5oF0F Listen to Where the Schools Went: https://thebranchmedia.org/show/where-the-schools-went/

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0:00.0

Welcome to The Lost Debata Show for Politically Ecclectics.

0:02.8

I'm Robbie Gupta.

0:03.8

And I think it was a couple weeks ago, the New York Magazine had a whole issue called The Stupid Issue.

0:10.5

And when I saw it, I was like, oh, Lord, is this another, like, blaming Red America for the decline in our cognitive capacity?

0:20.0

You know, there's this kind of this parlor game that I think

0:23.3

a lot of people in neighborhoods like my old neighborhood of Brooklyn play where they kind of blame

0:27.4

other people like my friends in the South for the decline of our civilization. And look, like,

0:33.0

there is a lot of blame to throw around. And if you listen to this podcast long enough,

0:36.6

you know I am unsparing of some trends across the aisle. But what New York Magazine did a masterful job of,

0:44.3

particularly in a piece by Andrew Rice, who are about to hear from, is they looked in the mirror

0:50.1

and meaning like New York Magazine tends to be read by liberals. It's called New York Magazine after all,

0:55.7

and New York has a lot more liberals than than conservatives or mega people.

0:59.8

And Andrew wrote this piece that was a long piece talking about the decline in our educational

1:07.1

results and points the finger mostly, not fully, but mostly at liberals and says,

1:14.2

hey, what are you doing to improve things for kids? And the answer he comes up with is actually

1:20.9

that the current trajectory of liberals, progressives, has been to dismantle policies that were improving kids' lives and replace

1:30.6

them with, well, we don't really know. It's a bunch of gobbly gook, incomprehensible educational

1:36.5

policies. What we're seeing is stagnation. And Andrew, in his piece, examines neighbors that we don't

1:43.4

spend a lot of time talking about on this

1:44.6

podcast because often when I talk about the decline of our educational standards, I talk about

1:48.2

places like North Nashville where I serve kids that are predominantly black and brown. And we do

1:52.9

get around to those neighborhoods, but he centers his piece in, you know, some of these more

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