Well, an interview between Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz, or should we say a couple of clips of a two-hour interview between Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson are going viral right now as Americans, and specifically MAGA, or the right, debate over what does American First policy look like and what would it look like with respect to the current conflict taking place between Israel and Iran. I'm going to tell you right off the bat, I'm tired of it.

I am tired of this kind of binary that I see developing where you're either a warmongering

neocon or you're a derpy pacifist isolationist that just thinks we should get out of everything.

And it's like, those are not the only two options.

Those are not the only two options.

And I do think that we have to look at this as foreign policy, national defense can be complex.

It's not always as obvious or as easy as it's made out to be.

But by the same token, we've just lived through 25 years of arguably some of our worst foreign policy in recent history.

And people are tired of it and understandably tired of it.

And if someone who has lived at the business end of what I would argue was bad U.S. foreign policy,

I'm very eager to see that we don't repeat it.

By the same token, we also understand that there has been a certain order that has taken place.

And there's been positives from it and there's been a whole lot of negatives from it.

And the question that we have to ask is not what's the solution?

The question we've got to ask is, what are the tradeoffs that we're now going to start to consider an American foreign policy that will help us define an American first foreign policy that takes seriously real threats that we may have to respond to, but it's not eager to go around trying to set up parliamentary democracies in places that don't want them. So all of that and more on this episode of making the argument. Yeah, my name is Nick Freitas. I am your host today,

current member of the Virginia General Assembly, but not for much longer as I've announced my

retirement. We have a great replacement in the form of Karen Hamilton. But before that,

I actually did a lot of work as a, as a green beret when I was in uniform and then also working

in the field of counterterrorism, unconventional warfare and counterinsurgency. So this is kind of a topic I've spent a lot of my time on.

In fact, the whole reason why I got into politics was because I was very angry about U.S. foreign policy

and wanted to hopefully one day impact it in a positive direction.

With me in the studio, my beautiful bride, Tina, queen of the bees.

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