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Are Two States Still the Solution?

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4.56K Ratings

🗓️ 29 January 2024

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Support for a “two-state solution” has been declining among both Israelis and Palestinians for years. If it’s time to give up on that plan, what’s the alternative? 


Guest: Dov Waxman, professor of political science and the director of the UCLA Y&S Nazarian Center for Israel Studies.


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0:00.0

There is this story that's been floating around, but I think appropriately sums up the

0:11.2

state of the American Israeli relationship right now.

0:17.0

It was reported in Axios back in December.

0:20.6

The story is about a phone call between President Biden and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

0:26.1

For months, the two had been getting on the line every couple days to talk about the war

0:29.8

in Gaza until this particular conversation just before Christmas.

0:36.2

In this call, they were discussing Palestinian tax revenues, reportedly.

0:41.3

The back and forth got so heated that Biden disconnected with a Kurt this

0:46.8

conversation is over. Click. I mean we've just learned that the two men didn't

0:52.4

speak for weeks.

0:54.0

Dove Waxman is the chair of Israel Studies at UCLA.

0:57.0

So there's clearly tension in that relationship and it seems that

1:01.0

Nithmiyahu is also busy alienating other leaders as well at the same time.

1:05.6

It doesn't bode well.

1:07.6

Dove says, there are many things for Biden and Netanyahu to disagree about at the moment.

1:14.0

There's the immediate stuff, like Aid to Gaza, or those tax revenues they were arguing

1:19.3

about over the phone.

1:21.4

And then there's bigger stuff, like who should lead the Palestinians when the war ends?

1:26.7

And what should a long-term settlement even look like?

1:30.0

Biden has been dropping hints about what he wants here, a two-state solution, which would mean

1:36.2

creating a sovereign territory for Palestinians.

1:38.8

Clause, thank you, and Mr. Secretary, it's great to be with you here this morning.

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