Are R+ Trainers Frauds? Can A Dog Come When Called Around Wildlife Without Using Punishers? #305

Shaped by Dog with Susan Garrett

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🗓️ 16 May 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

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Can you really stop a dog from chasing deer or anything else without an e-collar? Yes, and I’m sharing how. There’s an ongoing commentary that it's impossible to train certain dogs, especially those with high prey drive, to come when called using only reinforcement-based methods. Now, those of us who are reinforcement-based trainers know that it's absolutely possible. The secret lies in understanding the Canine Predatory Motor Sequence. Rather than trying to stop dogs at the end of the sequence when it's way too late, we focus on the early stages and what we want our dogs to do.

In this episode, you’ll hear:

• Why some say reinforcement-based training alone can’t stop high prey drive dogs.
• How the canine predatory motor sequence works and why it matters for your dog’s behavior
• Why suppressing behavior isn’t training, and what I do instead.
• The three common ways people deal with behavior problems and which one really works.
• How I use predatory redirection to interrupt chase drive.
• A real-life example of Prophet ignoring deer just 15 feet away.
• How we changed Tater Salad’s behavior using relationship-building games.
• Special opportunity to join my Home School the Dog program.
• Why head halters can act like emergency brakes when you need them.
• How I redirect Kim’s rescue dog Waffles from distractions to focus back to me and what you can take away from it.

Join Home School the Dog:
To join Home School the Dog at a special discount, write to us at [email protected] with the subject line: Prey Drive

Learn To Play ItsYerChoice:
Learn how to play the ItsYerChoice (IYC) Game - https://recallers.com/iycsummit-join/

Hand Target and More Foundational Games
Get the Hand Target Game and more foundational training games in our free Connected Dog Season of Nuance Video Series running for a limited time - https://learn.doggyflix.com/

Resources:

1. Podcast Episode 232: Canine Predatory Motor Sequence: Understand Your Dog’s Prey Drive To Enrich Your Life Together - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/232/
2. Podcast Episode 304: Let’s Talk About E-Collars: Why Dog Trainers Are So Divided - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/304/
3. Podcast Episode 7: You, Your Dog, Maslow and Lizard Brain - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/7/
4. Podcast Episode 234: How To Stop Puppy Biting: Avoid Mistakes With Susan Garrett’s Backup Plan - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/234/
5. Podcast Episode 293: MRI: A Simple 3 Part Dog Training Formula To Fix Problems Like Counter Surfing, Reactivity And More - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/293/
6. Blog Post: A GAME to Preserve Your Dog’s Recall Cue - https://susangarrettdogagility.com/2019/06/game-to-preserve-your-dogs-recall-cue/
7. Podcast Episode 276: What No One Tells You About The Best Place To Train Your Puppy Or Rescue Dog - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/276/
8. Podcast Episode 89: Why Dogs Should Not Tug: The Truth Revealed - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/89/
9. Podcast Episode 68: 3 Easy Tricks Every Dog Should Know - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/68/
10. Podcast Episode 155: 10 Ways To Teach A Sit WITHOUT A Food Lure! Unreal Results For Puppies And Dogs Of All Ages - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/155/
11. YouTube Video: Understanding Your Dog’s Reinforcement Zone (RZ) with Susan Garrett - https://youtu.be/OaUAScgaFAg?si=wgM4jNT5J7XT617w
12. Podcast Episode 40: Using A Head Halter On A Dog, Why My Approach Is So Different - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/40/
13. Podcast Episode 145: 10 Ways To Teach A Dog To Lay Down And How To Shape It Without Luring - https://dogsthat.com/podcast/145/
14. Watch this Episode of Shaped by Dog on YouTube - https://youtu.be/FlvAlCa2RRk

Transcript

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0:00.0	Hey there, it's me, Susan. Before you jump into today's episode, there's something else I'd like you to do
0:04.6	first. You see my team and I created Doggy Flicks, an educational video streaming platform
0:10.0	for keen to learn dog lovers like yourself. We've got a video series for you called the
0:14.2	Connected Dog. It's time limited. You're going to be blown away with what we have in store for you.
0:19.8	Did I mention the accompanying
0:21.6	55-page training playbook that goes with the series? You get to experience it all as my guest.
0:28.8	100% free to you. Go to doggieflix.com. D-O-G-G-Y-F-L-I-X.com. You'll recognize me. I'll be the one welcoming you. And once you see how
0:40.8	amazing it is, be sure you invite your other dog-loving friends to do G-G-G-Y-F-L-I-X.com.
0:49.6	According to some social media influencer, dog trainer, popular presenters, it is absolutely not possible
0:59.5	to train a dog, especially certain breeds of dogs or dogs with high prey drive to chase wildlife.
1:08.1	It's not possible to train these dogs with a reinforcement-based approach alone,
1:13.5	that these dogs absolutely must have some form of physical correction in order to be reliable
1:22.7	and to be able to come when called. And any of us that are trying to convince you it is possible,
1:30.3	we are either frauds or we're liars. Now, I'm here today to tell you why they might think that's true,
1:39.4	why it absolutely is not true. And thirdly, how it could be true for you and your dog.
1:47.1	Okay. Hi, I'm Susan Garrett. Welcome to Shape by Dog. Now, these so-called experts of dog training are
2:04.9	adamant. I mean, I dare say confident and possibly even dominant when they proclaim into the
2:12.3	camera lens that those of us who say reinforcement-based dog training can work are frauds. We know we're
2:19.1	lying to the public and we're taking money under false pretenses, those of us who are teaching
2:24.5	classes. And the truth is that I personally have had success not only with my dogs, but literally
2:31.4	tens of thousands of online students training in our program.
2:37.1	But I get why some people may think it's not possible.
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