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Are Parents Getting the Full Story When It Comes to Vaccines? Top Pediatrician Shares the Vaccine Research We Need to Hear with Dr. Joel Warsh

Dhru Purohit Show

Dhru Purohit

Medicine, Health & Fitness, Alternative Health

4.7 • 3.4K Ratings

🗓️ 25 June 2025

⏱️ 119 minutes

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Summary

This episode is brought to you by Bon Charge, Momentous, One Skin, and Branch Basics. It’s difficult to have a balanced conversation about vaccines. Both sides often jump to conclusions, leaving little room for nuanced, open dialogue. Just a few years ago, even sharing a podcast discussing vaccines could result in it being flagged. In this episode, Dr. Joel Gator Warsh joins us for a thoughtful conversation—one that doesn’t push any agenda, but simply aims to share information. Today on The Dhru Purohit Show, Dhru sits down with Dr. Joel “Gator” Warsh for a deep dive into the topic of vaccines. Dr. Gator discusses what the gold standard for vaccine testing should look like and what it truly means to provide informed consent. He addresses common concerns about additives in vaccines and emphasizes that his role is to educate—not to influence or bias—parents in making the best decisions for their children. He also explains why current research is lacking when it comes to understanding the potential long-term health impacts of vaccines, and shares his hopes for more robust studies and open, nuanced conversations moving forward. Dr. Joel Gator Warsh is a Board-Certified Pediatrician based in Los Angeles, California, specializing in parenting, wellness, and integrative medicine.  In 2018, he founded his current practice, Integrative Pediatrics and Medicine, in Studio City.  In this episode, Dhru and Dr. Gator dive into: What does “vaccine placebo” mean, and the differing definitions (00:17) Dr. Gator’s belief in providing information for truly informed consent (3:10) Questions about the ingredients and additives in vaccines (6:30) Why Dr. Gator started asking questions about vaccines (10:05) Why vaccine research typically doesn't use traditional placebo-controlled trials (19:47) The rise in public awareness and the future of vaccine studies (24:53) COVID as a major awakening regarding vaccines and peer reviews of vaccine trials (32:44) The history of polio and the increase in vaccines for various conditions (45:33) How vaccines have turned into a political issue (50:30) Stories from Dr. Gator’s patients, his recommendations, and an alternative schedule for newborns (59:21) Vaccines and concerns about autoimmune diseases and cumulative effects (1:13:20) The need for further research on vaccines and the possible correlation with autism (1:18:39) The measles vaccine: when to get it and debunked studies regarding its correlation to autism (1:34:49) Dr. Gator’s new book and what he hopes it contributes to the vaccine discussion (1:47:09) Does the flu vaccine make a difference (1:50:49) Final thoughts (1:54:47) Also mentioned in this episode: Dr. Gator's new book - Between a Shot and a Hard Place A Deep Dive on the Fraud, Deception, and Misdirection of Big Pharma with Dr. John Abramson For more on Dr. Gator, follow him on Instagram, X/Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, LinkedIn, or visit his Website. This episode is brought to you by Bon Charge, Momentous, One Skin, and Branch Basics. Right now, Bon Charge is offering my community 15% off; just go to boncharge.com/DHRU and use coupon code DHRU to save 15%. Momentous is having its anniversary sale from now through June 27th. Support your energy, bones, and resilience with The Women’s Three: Iron, Calcium, and Vitamin D3—formulated by experts, made for women. Head to livemomentous.com and use code FORLIFE for 40% off your first subscription. Right now, One Skin is offering my community 15% off; just go to oneskin.co and use coupon code DHRU to save 15% and give your skin the scientifically proven, gentle care it deserves. Right now, Branch Basics is offering 15% off the Premium Starter Kit; just go to branchbasics.com and use coupon code DHRU. Make 2025 your cleanest, healthiest year yet with Branch Basics!   Sign up for Dhru’s Try This Newsletter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Joel, welcome back to the podcast. The last time that you were here, we didn't get into the topic of vaccines. And today, that's the entire episode. And I'm excited to jump into it. You have a new book. But one of the first mind-blowing things that I want to go into in this conversation, which is really about vaccine safety. It's about making vaccines better. It's about having people

0:22.4

have informed consent. I want to talk about something kind of mind-blowing that I didn't even really

0:27.4

realize until I read your book. And that fact is, that mind-blowing fact is that a lot of times

0:34.1

when we hear that vaccines are placebo-controlled tested, they are, but there's a caveat with that a lot of times when we hear that vaccines are placebo controlled tested, they are, but there's a caveat

0:40.2

with that that a lot of people actually don't know. Can you explain that caveat before we start

0:45.1

off the conversation big picture? Yeah, definitely. And thanks for having me back. I'm excited to chat.

0:50.5

The big picture really is the meaning of the word placebo. So technically it's supposed to mean an inert

0:56.4

substance, like salt water, saline, but for a lot of the vaccine studies, the placebo is actually

1:01.6

another vaccine, or it's the vaccine minus the active ingredient like the antigen. So there's still,

1:08.3

it's not really an inert placebo. And so that's where a lot of times

1:11.5

we get these conversations where people say, oh, they've been placebo tested. And other people say,

1:15.1

no, they haven't. It's because they have a different definition of placebo. The vast majority,

1:19.4

almost all the vaccines on the current childhood schedule in America haven't been inert placebo

1:24.6

controlled tested prior to being licensed. Why is that important for people to understand or why is it important to be a part of the

1:31.5

conversation?

1:32.5

It's very important because that's the best way to do safety research.

1:35.8

So when you're looking at the best possible study, the gold standard study, you want to

1:41.9

be testing it against an inert placebo so you can see

1:45.1

any sort of safety concerns. The best example would be if you were studying two vaccines against

1:51.1

each other and both groups, you had 10 kids get seizures. Well, you could say with that study,

1:56.8

well, both groups had 10 seizures, so therefore there's no increased safety risks versus if you did two vaccines versus inert placebo, both groups had 10 seizures, so therefore there's no increased safety risks versus

2:01.6

if you did two vaccines versus inert placebo, both groups had 10, but then the inert group had

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