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Hello and welcome to coffee house shots.

I'm James Hill.

I'm joined today by Katie

Wars and Fraser Nelson. Now Katie in the times today there's the latest serialization

of the ongoing Tom Baldwin book about Kiastama and there's a report that

Sue Gray has been drawing up plans for so-called

Citizens Assembly. Tell us more. So what's quite interesting in this book which

has received a lot of access from the stama machine, largely because it was originally meant to be stama's own book with Tom Baldwin, former Ed Miliband Spinner as a ghost writer.

Kia stama eventually realized he was too busy, slash it might be a little bit complacent to have the big biography that he penned himself ahead of a general election.

So in the end what happened was Tom Baldwin has written a book as a biography but an authorized biography effectively

and there's been lots of serializations. I think the most probably interesting part of it so far is I think more details of

Kirstammer's childhood his difficult relationship with his father and problems

growing up but it also has various interviews with key stammer figures so for example Tom Baldwin speaks to Kistama but he also has the first on the record interview from Sue Gray since she has taken on the role of Chief of Staff and she has an on-the-record denial of claims

that she was once a spy saying that is not the case because there are lots of

things saying she'd had this pub where she'd been working to get information on the Irish side of things.

In terms of what her interview tells us about what to expect from a labour government. She has been talking about citizens

juries as something that labor would do in government, so plans to bypass Whitehall

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