Carrie, thank you for doing this. I've been watching on the internet. I've never met you,

but I'm grateful for your honesty and your bravery. And the precision of what you say, you never,

in the face of all this criticism, never got so mad that you revealed ugly sentiments, which I don't

think you have. You just stuck right to the Christian case. So bless you for that you revealed ugly sentiments, which I don't think you have. You just

stuck right to the Christian case. So bless you for that. How did you get involved in the President's

Religious Liberty Commission? What is it and how did you become a member of it? Very good question.

So I was Miss California in 2009. Donald Trump owned the Miss Universe, Miss USA organization. It was very

controversial, but I dared to say on stage that I believe marriage is between one man and one

woman. Yes. And I don't know if you remember that. I do remember it. And they punished you for it.

Huge controversy. That was really before anybody was canceled. So I always tell people i was one of the first to be

canceled the crazy thing is the majority of californians agreed with you because they vote

they voted in a referendum um pretty overwhelming prop eight which was then invalidated by a judge

because democracy is fake but you were you were saying what most of your fellow Californians believed. 100%. Yeah. And I was just standing on my principles, which is what I'm doing now. So Donald Trump loved me. He said, Carrie, this is going to be the best thing that ever happened to you. I remember one day he was in his office and he's like, Carrie, you have the it factor. And I'm that I was 21 years old I'm like what does that mean and he's like you just have it he's like

you you dared to speak the truth knowing what it would cost you and I think he really respected me for

that and so at 21 I became this you know conservative darling I guess you could say and dared to stand up for my faith and I doubled down you know they conservative darling, I guess you could say, and dared to stand up for my faith.

And I doubled down. You know, they told me, go on Matt Lauer and apologize for what you said.

You must apologize. Did they really tell you that? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the pageant people said,

go on and apologize. And I turned my phone off. I went on Matt Lauer, and he's like, all right, Carrie, let's do a redo.

How would you answer the question? I said, I have no regrets. I would literally... So you're getting a lecture on sexual ethics from Matt Lauer? Yeah. Okay. The irony of that. Yeah. Yeah, so I said, I'd rather be biblically correct than politically correct. and from there it was like I mean

I was on every news station

every day for the correct, then politically correct. And from there, it was like, I mean, I was on every news

station, every day for four months. It was nonstop. It was to the point of like harassment.

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