Now, are all the traitors present? Let's get started, shall we? From rags to riches. I'm so sick of this. Working like a dog and being treated worse. Yorkshire to New York. Poor climbers, you and me. A life dedicated to revenge. Let's make this an occasion to remember. A woman of substance on Channel 4. Stream now. In just a minute, we're going to play you an interview we just completed with our friend

Brett Weinstein about the war in Iran, why it started, what it means, how it may end and when.

And we should say at the outset why we did this interview.

Brett Weinstein is not an expert on military tactics or strategy.

He's not a diplomat. He's not a Farsi speaker. He is instead a biologist. He's a close observer

of living things and of the systems they occupy and create. But why speak to Brett Weinstein?

Really honestly, one reason, because he's honest. He's an honest man. He's a scientist, and the first requirement of science is, of course, honesty. Report what you know. But we know that he's honest because we've known him for almost 10 years now and watched him evolve in some ways from a liberal college professor to Evergreen to a Trump voter and promoter during the last campaign

of Donald Trump. And unlike a lot of people you see in the political sphere evolve,

Brett Weinstein kept the rest of a surprise of his evolution as was in progress. He didn't

pretend, I've always thought this. He told us that he had changed his mind and why.

So on the deepest level, he is an honest man, honest about the things he sees around him, what he thinks are behind those things, and honest, most important and most telling of all about himself.

So it's important to get an honest analysis of what's happening now because the dishonesty is so overwhelming, it's hard to separate it from the true. So if you're following this, attempting to follow it

in this incredibly censored moment we're living in online, you're seeing all kinds of things

that seem true that aren't. You're seeing true things suppressed, the most basic things.

How many people have been killed on all sides? How many have been injured? You keep reading that Israeli cabinet minister Ben Gavir died again and again. He's dead. Well, he was in Jerusalem a couple hours ago issuing decrees, so not dead, etc cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Basic facts, like what's the physical damage to all of these countries sucked into this conflict?

You can't find because that information has been censored by those countries, countries in which it took place, and by American social media companies.

So it's really hard to know what's true.

Everybody involved in this conflict has a strong incentive to lie and to spin. But at some point, all of that lying becomes

irrelevant. Rhetoric itself, propaganda itself, becomes irrelevant in the face of war because war changes

physical things, not just words and minds, but physical realities like borders and populations

of countries and control over resources. Those decisions are settled by armed conflict a lot of the time. They certainly will be in the case of this war. And so in the end, it kind of doesn't matter what you say. Somebody's going to win and somebody's going to lose and the world's going to be very different. And the rest of us can assess those differences unencumbered or impeded by your lying, by your propaganda. And that may be why, actually, for a war, there's been relatively little propaganda around this.

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