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Hello, and thank you for joining this special edition of the American Revolution.

Our guest earlier this month was author Jack Kelly, who came to our roundtable to discuss his new book,

Tom Paine's War. Our American Revolution Roundtable learned about Tom Paine's actions in 1775 and 1776 before,

during, and after the 10 crucial days of the war. One quick note, we recorded our discussion on

Zoom. Our guests' audio had some issues, which did have an impact on sound quality. Sorry for that.

Hey, thanks everyone for joining the American Revolution podcast. We're at our roundtable

tonight with author Jack Kelly, who has a new book coming out called Tom Payne's War.

Hopefully everybody knows who Tom Payne is, sometimes called the propagandist of the war.

What people may not know is that he actually fought as a soldier in a few months of the early

part of the war, and that helped define some of his later ratings. Jack, thanks for joining us

today on the American Revolution podcast. Thank you, Mike. It's great to be here, and thanks to everyone for tuning in.

Well, I guess we should start out with a little bit of an introduction as to who Tom Paine was.

I guess we all know him from common sense. It seems to me if you ask people what the first few

words of common sense are, 99% of them will say, these are the times that try men's

souls, which of course is wrong. That comes from

a later work, which we'll also get into tonight called The Crisis, which were probably two of

Payne's most well-known works from the American Revolution. So where does your book start with Tom Payne?

Well, I've written a couple of books about the Revolutionary War, and I wanted to do a book

that was more about what they were fighting for and still keep the war into it.

I thought Tom Paine would be a good candidate because he, as you mentioned, wrote two of

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