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Behind the Knife, the Surgery Podcast, where we take a behind the scenes intimate look at surgery

from leaders in the Knife. This is Wu Doe here with

Megan and Keshup at the 50th anniversary meeting of the American Pediatric

Surgical Association. Today we have the distinct honor of sitting with Dr. Keith Ashcraft.

He is a former surgeon-in-chief and head of pediatric surgery at Children's Mercy Hospital in Kansas City from 1994 to 1999.

He was also a former chairman of the surgical section of the AAP

as well as past president of multiple organizations

to include APSA and the World Federation of the Associations of Pediatric Surgery.

Dr Ashraf, it's an honor, thank you.

It's an honor to be here.

Thank you for having me.

So we really want to hear from you about where you're from and how did you get into surgery,

pediatric surgery, what was your path?

Well I was, I'm from a small town in Kansas, town of 2,000 people where my father ran the newspaper.

And I thought for a while I was going to be a newspaperman, weekly newspaper, but then I was very bored with life in a small town and enjoyed working on my brother-in-law's farm during the summers,

at which time I sort of got the idea that I might want to be a veterinarian.

Now I don't know why I got that idea because the only good horse is a dead horse and

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