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The Playbook Podcast

April 16, 2025: The making of the next big SCOTUS showdown

The Playbook Podcast

POLITICO

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🗓️ 16 April 2025

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

A court hearing in Maryland yesterday kicked off a two-week legal sprint that could shake America’s system of checks and balances. On its surface, the wrongful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia is a story about immigration policy and government power. But dig deeper, and the stakes for the rule of law are profound. Senior legal affairs reporter Josh Gerstein joins Playbook managing editor and author Jack Blanchard to discuss the implications of the hearing and what to expect next.

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presented by BP.

0:05.5

Hello, good morning everyone. This is Jack Blanchard, Playbooks managing editor and author. It is Wednesday,

0:11.5

April the 16th. It is another beautiful day in Washington, D.C. The spring flowers are out,

0:17.0

and everyone here is still talking about all things legal. Let me tell you what's driving

0:22.6

the day today on Wednesday. The big event in the middle of the day, the Federal Reserve Chair Jerome

0:27.5

Powell will be making his first big speech since Donald Trump kind of crashed the economy with

0:33.0

his tariff towing and throwing. That's happening at our plus one in Chicago and lots of people

0:36.6

will be listening in for that for some clues about where the economy might be headed. There's going to be lots more conversations about tariffs all around today. But the one story that is top of everyone's minds involves a Salvadorian man who's become a sort of core celebrity across America, Kilmar, Abredego Garcia, a man from Maryland who was wrongly deported

0:55.1

to the Salvadorian mega prison a few weeks back and has become the subject of this incredible

1:00.8

court case between his lawyers and the Trump administration. There was a bombshell hearing last

1:07.4

night where a US district judge announced he was going to essentially investigate

1:11.4

this pretty frenetically over the next couple of weeks. And that is the thing we want to talk

1:15.2

about today because that is going to dominate much of the discourse through Wednesday. I'm delighted

1:20.0

to say with us on the podcast. We've got absolute genius when it comes to these things. Politico's

1:25.1

senior legal affairs reporter, Josh Gerstein,

1:27.7

Josh, hello. You must be having quite a time of at the moment. How many different court

1:31.9

cases have you been keeping an eye on this week, do you reckon? Well, this week there's probably

1:36.4

20 or 30 hearings that we've been tracking and the total number of cases that I'm following along with my primary

1:45.5

colleague doing this, Kyle Cheney, I think we're in the vicinity of about 250 various

1:51.2

challenges to Trump administration actions. It's starting to get hard to keep the tally.

1:56.5

There's just so many now coming in that we're going to have to triage them in a somewhat different way.

2:01.7

It's such an extraordinary number just to even think about.

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