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And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

So Don Ecker returns once again as our guest co-host.

Welcome back.

Filled with fun and excitement.

Absolutely.

Oh, we know you are.

And last week we really had a fabulous show where Reverend Dr. Barry Downing joined us.

And he presented an interesting combination of religious figure, minister, and scientist.

Which is actually quite an unusual combination gene.

Indeed it is, and because you have the situation here where sometimes there's a disconnect in perspectives

between the person who is dealing

with one's religion and the person who's dealing with science, even though you hope they

kind of work together in the end. Sometimes or quite often there are differences. And among

the people interested in ancient astronauts, the reverend is very unusual in that way, and that's why

our discussion was quite unusual. Today we welcome someone. You must remember from the forums,

Ben Moss, and he's been talking a lot about the work of Ray Stanford, also about Sakara, New Mexico.

Tony, have you worked with Ben on both those things?

Tony Angiola, by the way.

That's right.

Yeah, Ben and I, we do a lot of work together on UFO cases.

So we've been working with Ray for years now.

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