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The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

April 13, 2025 — Gabriel Mckee Talks About Gray Barker

The Paracast — The Gold Standard of Paranormal Radio

The Paracast Company

Science, News, Society & Culture

3.4683 Ratings

🗓️ 13 April 2025

⏱️ 110 minutes

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Summary

Decades before the 1997 sci-fi comedy "Men In Black" launched a multibillion dollar film franchise, a young folklorist, UFO promoter Gray Barker helped to spread the original MIB concept in a book, They Knew Too Much About Flying Saucers. The details about Barker's colorful life is told in Gabriel Mckee's book, The Saucerian: The Unbelievable Life of Gray Barker (MIT Press). It's the strange, but true biography of a central purveyor and promoter of flying saucer and conspiracist knowledge in the mid-twentieth century. Known mostly to people in the UFO field, Barker (who died in 1984) was an eccentric literary outsider, filled with ideas that were out of step with the world. An author and unreliable narrator of implausible stories, Barker founded and operated Saucerian Books, an independent publisher of books about flying saucers and other ideas at the fringes of popular discourse. In The Saucerian, Gabriel Mckee tells the fascinating story of Barker’s West Virginia–based press, the unique corpus of materials it published, and how office-copying and self-publishing techniques influenced the spread of paranormal beliefs and conspiratorial worldviews over the last century. Following the development of UFO subculture, Mckee explores the life and career of a larger-than-life hoaxer and originator of pseudoscientific ideas. In return, Gene and cohost Tim Swartz talk about their own encounters with Barker and his friends over the years. This is an episode you won't want to miss. Gabriel's site: https://gabrielmckee.com/

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Transcript

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0:00.0

You're in the Paracast. You're in the Paracast, the gold standard of paranormal radio.

0:28.2

And now, here's Gene Steinberg.

0:32.5

So today on the Paracast, we're going to break out our official Paracast flux capacitor.

0:41.2

And we're going to get somebody as DeLorean, and we're going to go back in time, primarily

0:46.6

to the 50s, 60s and some of the 70s, and we're going to talk about one of the most unusual

0:52.7

people I ever met in the UFO field. And for that,

0:57.1

we have to thank Gabriel McKee, who wrote a biography of Gray Barker called The Sossarian,

1:04.2

also the title of his newsletter, of course, UFOs Men in Black and the unbelievable life of Gray Barker.

1:13.0

Gabriel, welcome to this show.

1:14.8

Don't you think if Gray read your book, he wouldn't believe it?

1:18.2

Oh, probably not.

1:20.0

Yeah.

1:21.4

Certainly, I think he'd, you know, add some mystery back in where I've maybe taken some

1:26.5

away in some places.

1:29.5

Now, point out in this book, you do not get into the subject of whether UFOs are real

1:36.1

or what they might be or anything. You're looking at the subject from the matter of folklore.

1:42.4

Yes. And we've got all these unusual people who were attracted to the field.

1:46.2

We talk about their lives.

1:47.6

We talk about how pop culture was impacted.

1:50.2

And of course, we'll get into more later.

1:53.1

One of the biggest myths or legends perpetrated or spread by Gray Barker was the men in black.

2:02.4

Unfortunately, he died before the movie came out.

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