Welcome to the podcast Think Bibbically,

Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Sean McDowell, Professor Apologetics at Talbot School of Theology

Biola University.

I'm your co-host Scott Ray, Professor of Christian Ethics, Dean of the faculty, also

at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University.

We're here today with a guest who's a friend of mine and because of his interest in

apologetics we have just a common passion for the church today and he's written a recent book called

apologetics at the cross. My friend Josh Traitra is the head of apologetics at Liberty

University. You recently wrote a book with an interesting title

called Apologetics at the Cross.

Now you weren't always a fan of apologetics.

Can you just tell us your story a little bit

of why you came to think this is important for individual Christians and the church, especially in our cultural moment today?

Yeah, well, I wasn't always a fan of apologetics, I was a Christian early on in life and maybe that was part of it. I grew up in a Christian home and the gospel just made sense to me and I went off to college and when I was at college I played college soccer at a school in Georgia state school called Georgia Southern.

And I got really serious about my faith at the time,

but I was the only Christian on the team.

And so you would think maybe that that would be the time

where apologetics would have kind of resonated with me.

But in fact it didn't.

I was kind of knew one thing, I knew the gospel.

I was learning how to study the Bible and I was just kind of sure the gospel my teammates and

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