Apocalypse Now | Interview: Ross Douthat

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.6 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 10 July 2025

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Ross Douthat of the New York Times joins Jonah Goldberg to ruminate over the resilience of American democracy, Pope Leo XIV, postliberalism, and Douthat’s recent conversation with Peter Thiel. Plus: their thoughts on wokeness, the Antichrist, and performative apocalypticism. Show Notes:—Ross Douthat's podcast, "Interesting Times"—Ross Douthat's book, Grand New Party: How Republicans Can Win the Working Class and Save the American Dream—Jonah’s Los Angeles Times column, “Elon Musk’s America Party is a long shot" The Remnant is a production of The Dispatch, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including Jonah’s G-File newsletter, regular livestreams, and other members-only content—click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:18.0	Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention?
1:20.9	Can you digger? Greetings, dear listeners, this is John to Goldberg, host the Remnant podcast, brought to you by the dispatch and Dispatch Media.
1:33.1	Good to be home.
1:34.3	It's good to be tan, rested, and ready.
1:37.2	And just like Nixon in 96, this is an interesting, we're going to have an interesting episode today.
1:43.4	Big fan favorite, big fan nemesis for some people, but, you know, that's the life we've chosen. I've known this guy for a very long time. He was a, I believe, former intern at National Review. His primary job is still film reviewer for National Review. But he also does some stuff for the New York Times. I kid because I I love. He is also, shockingly, now a right-wing podcast, bro,
2:04.4	with his podcast, interesting times.
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