And like, wow, Sean, I can never do that. Or that looks like a really poor, unfun life.

Yeah. And I think it's because that's you trying to put yourself into the context of what I was doing, but without knowing what the end goal was.

For me, my frugality was by the ultimate, most expensive resource in the world, Time. I truly believe that for all of us,

time is the most expensive thing that we can buy.

Hi, this is Monica Packer, and you're listening to About Progress, where we are about

progress made practical. Thank you. This is Monica Packer, and you're listening to About Progress, where we are about progress

made practical.

I know money is on a lot of our minds right now, with gas prices going up, groceries never

seeming to come back down after big rises.

It seems like all of us are really worried about our spending habits. And at the same time,

I think there are a few more vulnerable topics than money. For a lot of us, even the word

can immediately bring up fear or shame or guilt or even just this quiet, simmering worry

that we're not doing it right. To help lessen the stress

that money is creating in your life and to provide realistic ways you can spend less without

becoming so scarcity-bound, I interviewed Shang Savedra, a personal finance expert, about how

to think wealthy, yes, wealthy, and live more frugally in today's ever-changing

financial climate. Money is surprisingly emotional, so that's actually where we start,

by getting clear about the emotional roots of our money habits, how our childhood experiences,

perfectionism, stress, and even mental health can shape the way we

spend, save, avoid, or obsess over money. And then we also talk about how to practically

change those money habits. This episode helped me rethink frugality in a way that felt

freeing instead of fear base, which is a very rare approach

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