Anxiety and the Death of Curiosity (Episode 120)
Disordered: Anxiety Help
Josh Fletcher and Drew Linsalata
4.9 • 665 Ratings
🗓️ 8 August 2025
⏱️ 39 minutes
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Summary
When anxiety takes hold, one of the first casualties is our natural sense of wonder and openness to new experiences. In this episode of Disordered, lets explore how anxiety disorders systematically erode our curiosity about the world around us and our own capabilities.
Drew and Josh discuss how anxiety creates a rigid, self-focused mindset that asks only "How will this make me feel?" rather than "What might I discover?" They examine how this shift from external curiosity to internal fixation becomes a prison that keeps us stuck in patterns of avoidance and safety-seeking behaviors.
The hosts share practical strategies for rekindling curiosity as a pathway back to psychological flexibility, including:
- Asking "What would happen if..." instead of avoiding uncertainty
- Practicing willful tolerance while fostering genuine interest in experiences
- Using curiosity about the recovery process itself as a therapeutic tool
- Distinguishing between helpful curiosity and anxious rumination
Through inspiring listener stories, Drew and Josh demonstrate how curiosity can be gradually rebuilt, even during heightened anxiety states. They show how simple questions like "What just happened here?" and "What might I learn from this?" can begin to crack open the rigid thinking patterns that keep anxiety disorders alive.
This episode offers hope that the natural human capacity for wonder and exploration doesn't disappear with anxiety—it simply needs gentle cultivation and practice to flourish again.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm going to try. What if I try this? |
| 0:04.0 | It's something that an anxious person tends to lose the ability to do. |
| 0:08.0 | Our curiosity is usually spread, spread across different things, curious about things in our life. |
| 0:16.0 | I wonder what's going on. I wonder what the weather's going to be like. |
| 0:18.0 | I wonder what the holiday's going to be like. I wonder what the holiday is going to be like. I wonder what happens at work. |
| 0:21.7 | So we lose the ability to be curious in our actions and open-minded. |
| 0:26.5 | It's that lack of flexibility and curiosity outside the realm of how you feel, |
| 0:33.8 | which is something we just want you to notice today. |
| 0:36.6 | No, no, no. |
| 0:37.1 | I can only do things that I know with certainty turn out this way and make me feel a certain way. |
| 0:44.3 | And I don't want to try anything outside of that. |
| 0:53.3 | Welcome to Disordered. This is episode 1-20 entitled Anxiety and the Death of Curiosity. |
| 1:03.0 | We're getting Emo on the podcast now. That's also a band name. We'll be warming up for panic at the disco. |
| 1:11.6 | We're not. That's a complete fabrication. |
| 1:14.6 | I'm Joshua Fletcher, also known as anxiety. Josh, I'm a psychotherapist who had two hours sleep last night. |
| 1:21.6 | I am groggy, but we're all good. I'm doing what non-anxious me would do. |
| 1:28.6 | And that is insult Drew for a while before I press record. |
| 1:32.9 | I'm joined by my esteem co-host. |
| 1:35.3 | I'm Drew Linzalata. |
| 1:36.7 | I am a therapist in New York, |
| 1:38.5 | specializing in anxiety and anxiety disorders. |
| 1:40.5 | I got much more sleep than Josh last night. |
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