That is what consciousness is about. It's about creating the not disputable fact that I am doing my

perceptions and you are doing your perceptions. And the two challenges of operation in the two kinds

of operation are only the same type, but they are occurring in different organs.

Hello and welcome to the Psychology Podcast. Today we welcome Dr. Antonio DiMazio.

Dr. DiMazio is an internationally recognized neuroscientist whose extensive research has

shaped the understanding of neural systems and consciousness. With over a hundred

journal articles and book chapters, he has earned many prestigious awards throughout his career.

Currently he serves as University Professor, the David Dornsife Professor of Neuroscience,

Psychology and Philosophy, and Director of the Brain Creativity Institute at the University of

Southern California. His books, Descartes' Air, Looking First Menotsa, Self Comes to Mind,

the Strange Order of Things, and Feeling and Knowing have been published in translation and are

taught in universities throughout the world. In this stimulating episode, I talk to Antonio DiMazio

about consciousness. People often think that the mind and consciousness are the same thing,

but Dr. DiMazio disputes this notion. He argues that it's the complex relationship of both our brains

and bodies that makes sentient thought possible. Homological static feelings like hunger and pain

develop before emotions, and along with it came consciousness. We also touch on the topics of

perception, mental illness, evolution, pancycism, AI, and machine learning. So it's with great

enthusiasm that I now bring you, Dr. Antonio DiMazio. It's nice to finally meet you. We have

some mutual friends in common. I'm dear friends with Mary Helen in Mardino Yang.

Oh, very highly of you, and it's just, yeah. Nice to finally meet you.

She's having a beautiful career. I think the first person we appointed to the Brain Creativity

Institute now, I think, 17 years ago. Wow. Time really does fly. Wow. That's how long

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