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Azeem Azhar's Exponential View

Anthropic’s Head of Economics on AI adoption data, Claude Code, the burden of knowledge & the next generation of experts

Azeem Azhar's Exponential View

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🗓️ 21 January 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Peter McCrory, Head of Economics at Anthropic, unpacks the company's new Economic Index report. His team analyzed millions of real Claude conversations to map exactly where AI is augmenting human work today and where it isn't. We explore the striking divergence between API and chat usage, why businesses need to extract tacit knowledge to unlock AI's potential, the "hollow ladder" risk for junior workers, and Anthropic's estimate that AI could add 1.0-1.8% to annual productivity growth over the next decade.

Transcript

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0:00.0

So Anthropic, the leading AI lab behind Claude has just released the next edition of

0:06.7

their Economic Index report. They have analysed millions of real conversations with Claude

0:13.3

to map exactly where AI is augmenting human work today and where it isn't.

0:19.1

I'm with Peter McCrory, who is the head of

0:21.5

economics at Anthropic, and he's the one who led this research. I think it's a best empirical

0:26.3

window we have into how AI could be sharing, shaping work right now. So Peter, thank you so much

0:32.8

for breaking away from your computer and joining us today. It's a privilege to be here and so glad to be able to share this work with the world and

0:41.0

all the underlying data, which I mean, I'll talk about, but everything that we do is based

0:46.1

on open source data. So we hope that others will join us in making sense of what's on the horizon.

0:50.7

You know, that is such an important point because in this moment of the

0:56.0

investment boom and the prospect of artificial intelligence really changing the way we live,

1:01.7

the quality of data I found has been really, really poor. It's sort of scuttlebutt and, you know,

1:07.9

survey a few mates and slap a logo on it and change the way the market thinks. So when you get data from, you know, survey a few mates and slap a logo on it and change the way the market thinks.

1:12.5

So when you get data from, you know, Anthropic or Epoch or others, it's really good to be

1:17.8

able to hold on to it. Your data shows something quite striking, which is two completely

1:25.7

different use patterns emerging at the same time.

1:30.0

So if you're using Claude, you can do it like most of us do through the chat interface,

1:35.0

you know, tippity tapty, tippity, Claude goes away and thinks and comes back with an answer.

1:38.9

Or you can use it through the API, which is a programming interface,

1:43.5

which means that perhaps you're accessing it through another piece of software is a programming interface, which means that perhaps

1:44.4

you're accessing it through another piece of software, maybe one that you have written, or more

1:48.5

likely your IT department has written.

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