Anthropic’s Cybersecurity Shock Wave + Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz on Their Sam Altman Investigation + One Good Thing

Hard Fork

The New York Times

Technology

4.3 • 5.7K Ratings

🗓️ 10 April 2026

⏱️ 64 minutes

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The new Anthropic model that’s too dangerous to be released is already revealing thousands of software vulnerabilities.

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0:00.0	Casey, I got a haircut yesterday. Thanks for noticing. Kevin, it looks extraordinary. Has this ever
0:05.2	happened to you? I went into the barber. I sat down in the chair. He did not ask me what I wanted.
0:09.4	He just started cutting. Has this ever happened to you? No, because they know I'm not straight.
0:14.7	With a straight guy, you don't need to ask them. You just get the standard haircut that a man gets.
0:19.9	He one-shot in my hair. He said, yeah,
0:22.6	I've seen this before. I know what I'm doing here. Whereas if I walk in, it's like,
0:27.3	okay, let me get out the schematics. It's also like not a barber that I've been to a lot.
0:32.8	So like, it's not like he knew me. See, this is exactly, it's like the fact that you just go to random barbers and will accept whoever happens to me. This is why they can just start cutting your hair. Oh, who is? Yeah, I don't know this person. Yeah, do whatever the hell you want. See, if I care. Yeah. That is the straight approach to hair. But it's working great for you. Thank you. Yeah. Appreciate it.
1:00.5	I'm Kevin Rousa Tech columns at the New York Times.
1:02.1	I'm Casey Noon from Platformer. And this is Hard Fork.
1:03.3	This week, the dangerous new AI model that has cybersecurity experts on high alert.
1:08.7	Then New Yorker writers Ronan Farrow and Andrew Morantz join us to discuss their
1:13.0	spicy new profile of Sam Altman.
1:15.6	And finally, it's time for one good thing.
1:19.0	Although I guess really there are two things in the segment.
1:21.1	Yeah, we should really rename the segment.
1:22.4	Okay. Casey, we have a big announcement.
1:34.9	Kevin, what is the announcement?
1:36.5	We're ending the show.
1:40.3	No.
1:41.1	You're finally free, America.
1:43.2	Yes.
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