We are back with part two and I'm so excited. We had to like quickly rain it in because

everybody was asking so many questions. I was like, everybody. Everybody, you mean me.

No, not to see you. Everybody was talking. Everybody scattered and started talking.

Which also when I walked outside, can I just say that the song that was playing, it was the cross has the final word.

And I was like, let's go. So everybody in this building is really stoked and really fired up.

I wanted to start with the crown of thorns, which looks maybe a little different than we imagined

it. I want you to talk about the things that you brought because this is so crazy to see and also, again, lines up with what we see on the shroud. So tell us a little bit about the things that you brought. And I invited Christian to come up here. We're going to get to the audience and everything and all the questions, but I knew Christian was going to be really excited to hold some of these things.

Well, it's so great to be back with you. Thank you for having me back.

When I look at the crown of thorns and I study it, these are three-inch Bethlehem thorns.

In fact, Christian, do you mind just picking it up? And I want you to hold it while I describe it because it's so moving to me.

And it's interesting, they will prick you.

They're sharper than nails when they dry out.

But it's important that we hold it.

There's something about touching it.

This is a reproduction, of course.

But the scriptures say that, and this puts the shroud

beyond all doubt for me, because we only have evidence of one person in antiquity being crucified

with a crown of thorns. And because of medieval art, we've thought it was something like a wreath or like a sweatband.

No.

We have 30 to 50 puncture wounds on the head and the scalp of the man crucified on the shroud, who I believe is Jesus.

And like, just, I mean, try to like touch the edge of them too, Christian.

I mean, it's very sharp. It's very sharp.

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