Hey guys, it's Kathy Heller.

Welcome back to another episode of Don't Keep Your Day Job.

How many of you listened to Monday's episode with Mark Manson?

It was such a great conversation.

One of the things I just wanted to reiterate from that talk was our conversation around failure,

our conversation around struggle.

And what I thought was so liberating about that talk is Mark was saying how every time

somebody is successful, it's because they allow themselves to just go ahead and make the

next best iteration.

And successful people are always freeing themselves, never to arrive quote unquote.

It's never about like, we now have made the best possible iPhone.

Like you know six months later they're going to have the next best version of it.

And I think that if we can go into our work with the permission to make the next best version,

and then we can actually intend that there will always be something that we want to improve.

That is so freeing and it is truly the way to make brilliant things.

I think that what Mark said is so huge.

He talked about how when he sold millions of books and hit all of those goals, he actually

started to get very depressed because he woke up and he didn't know what to want anymore.

And he recognized that it is so important for us to have that striving and that yearning.

And this idea that we're going to have something happen and check this box, this goal, this

thing, and then all of a sudden we arrive.

And now we're happily ever after.

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