Well, hello, I'm Hugo Rifkin.

Now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day, and today is the government

walking into yet another backbench rebellion over special needs support.

Plus, we'll discuss whether the Greens could form an alliance with Jeremy Corbyn and the boring

topics of conversation that should be banned from the office.

And joining me are two people who've never uttered a boring sentence in their lives so far.

And they are, Seb Payne. Hello, Seb.

Good morning, Hugo, never boring with you.

Very interesting sentence you just said there.

And Charlotte, Ivers. Hello, Charlotte.

Hello, Hugo.

How are you? I'm not bad, thank you. Yeah, that's quite a boring thing to say, isn't it? Yeah. I've had a nice...

You should say you're awful. Like, how you? I'm dreadful. And I'm going to spend the next 40 minutes telling you all about it. we've got quite a lot to cover. Let's start with the prospect of another backbench rebellion.

There was, of course, a very exciting one last week. There could be one this week as well over plans to

reform special needs support. Ministers are considering scaling back the use of education,

health and care plans, which give children with learning difficulties, a legal right to support

from the council. The government insists this isn't all about saving money and is all about improving the system,

but Seb, is that just rubbish?

We're faced with two immovable objects here.

One is the Labour Party and is backbench MPs.

I'm sorry to interrupt you, but if there's two immovable objects, that's fine because they're not going to move.

Surely, you want them to be an unstoppable force. The Prime Minister is oscillating between these two movable objects, I should say.

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