Hello and welcome to best laid plans. This is your host, Sarah Hartunger, and this is the podcast where we talk all things planning and planning adjacent.

This is going to be probably the last interview episode for December. Believe it or not,

this month is just going so quickly. And I have to have most of the episodes really from now

until the end of the year ready over the next 10 or so days. And so this one's a special treat

because every once in a while, I really like to showcase someone who does planning

a little bit different from me. And then as we chat, I always realize that there are so many

common elements between people who love to plan. And I think that was certainly the case for this

conversation with Rana. Before we get started with the interview, just a little bit of fun book news. So this

air is December 8th and my book is available for pre-order for just eight more days. It's released

officially on December the 16th. So next week episode, I'll talk a little bit more about launch

and, you know, how I feel about that and everything related to the book. But for today, I do have a tiny

piece of fun news, which is that I just found out the best laid plans. The book, a simple

planning system for living a life that you love, was named as one of Amazon's editor picks

for nonfiction for December. And they only picked nine books of all nonfiction releases,

and mine was one of them. And I cannot tell you how incredibly shocked and thrilled I was to

find out about that. You know, at first I thought, oh, they just put this editor thing on everyone's

book. But then when I clicked into it, it was a real thing. And my own editor own editor was so, so excited and she messaged me as well. So this was such an honor if you found this

podcast because you browse the editor's picks at Amazon. I mean, I doubt it. But you never know.

Then hello, there is so much planning fun in store for you in these episodes. But really,

just super, super exciting. And I can't tell

you how thrilling it is to have my work out there in the world after so many years of wanting

to share it this way. So yay. All right. Well, with that, I will leave you to my conversation with

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