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Welcome to the Ezra Klein show on the Vox Media Podcast Network. I am not now nor have I ever been as reclined, but don't worry, he's right around the corner.

My name is Sean Rommas for my host Vox's daily news podcast today explained, and this is a big podcast week here at Vox.

We're celebrating today explains first anniversary, some 250 episodes later. Happy birthday to us. Subscribe if you haven't.

And more celebration is in order because in a studio right across the hall from where I'm sitting, one Ezra Klein has been making this show for three whole years.

To mark the occasion, we're running Ezra's very first episode. It's a conversation with Rachel Maddo. She tells Ezra about her early years as an activist, her unconventional path to journalism, and how she prepares for her show night after night.

I'm going to be listening extra carefully to that last part. But before any of that, of course, Ezra and Rachel started with their shared love of docs.

My experience of having a dog has primarily been that a lot of people have a lot of advice and nobody knows where any of it comes from.

Yes, there's the you've got to be the alpha in the house school of thought. Then there's a that is ridiculous. Dogs do not think you're a dog. They're dumb, but they're not that dumb.

And just like my my dogs have a lot of stranger danger. They're two little terriers. They're very, very sweet to us. And they want the rest of the world to be killed and to die.

And trying to train them out of that has been a fun project in which everybody wants us to do the opposite thing. They're like, bring the dogs down to meet people, which freaks them out to high heaven.

And then it's like, no, have people come in and then they think somebody's invading the home and there's just does not appear to be very valid answers.

Are they the right way to they work as a team? Are they hunting, killing, stranger team?

Yes, but the opposite of all those adjectives, they are a running, cowering, fear barking team.

So they want death, but they don't want to kill. They want the strangers to die because they've set up an alarm.

Right.

Yeah, I would say ideally we would do the me and my wife would do the actual execution of strangers.

They will let us know somebody is coming and we would arm the weaponry and sort of press the fire.

Are they the same age?

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