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We're talking with on Marta Ud on is a behavioral advisor trainer and the CEO and founder of the behavior company based in Amsterdam.

As we all know, your behavior plays an essential role in getting your message across and we got a lot of great feedback from you guys about our episode with Joe Navarro.

We reached out to him to ask about other body language and communications experts that he personally recommends and his immediate response was you need to talk to Anne.

In fact, Joe and Anne co-authored several articles for psychology today, including their latest viral article, The Importance of Validation and also lectures at several universities in the Netherlands.

It is regularly hired as a specialist speaker on behavior and its effects. Welcome to the show Anne. So great to have you with us.

Thank you.

One of the biggest myths that I think a lot of people have around reading body language is really just focusing on the body language itself and thinking that they can almost read the other person's mind.

And we enjoyed and another discussion you had another interview. How you talked about there's much more that goes into reading and analyzing body language than just the signals that are being sent. There's the environment. There's the context. There's who you're also speaking to and how you're reacting to them.

So let's talk a little bit about what are these myths around reading body language and what can analyzing body language teach us and what can it teach us?

Thank you for that question. I think it's the most important thing is realizing that it's not just body language as, okay, what do we do?

But also attire. What do we wear? What is behind us on our screen?

But a lot of people think that if they look into body language that they think they found the cute of the key to the matrix. Like now I know everything.

And they when they observe people, they have this belief that they know everything already. Oh, this is that kind of person and I know exactly how this person thinks.

And that's a shame because I love it when people become aware of body language, but it cannot teach us what other persons are thinking or actually what's going on in their mind.

AJ, you can correct me from I believe it was Laura Wong who we had interviewed when her book edge and she talked about how it is important to tell your story or other people are going to tell your story.

And of course, if they don't know that information, they're just going to put all these pieces together and it couldn't be farther from the truth.

And you have that opportunity when you first meet people to give them that story and give them those pieces so they're not randomly grasping at straws.

And I certainly have family members who I recognize all the time who just infer all these things about people without any research, any thought is speaking to them.

And of course that drives their behaviors around these people.

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