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The Bulwark Podcast

Anne Applebaum: What USAID's Absence Looks Like on the Ground

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

News, Politics, Society & Culture, News Commentary

4.611.6K Ratings

🗓️ 7 August 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

The United States, through USAID, not only supplied a big chunk of the world's humanitarian aid, it also provided almost all of the logistical support for other aid organizations to deliver relief as well. Now in Sudan, where the state has disintegrated and millions of people are trying to flee anarchy and civil war, virtually no Western organization is there to provide food and shelter. And no American is working on trying to end the conflict. Plus, Tim Cook joins the CEO suck-up to Trump, a top, well-regarded FBI official who was trying to hold the line under Kash has been pushed out, and Putin may be trying to pause Ukraine's punishing air war on Russia—but he's not showing any sign that he wants peace.

Anne Applebaum joins Tim Miller.
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0:35.1

Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast.

0:36.4

I'm your host Tim Miller.

1:14.2

Delighted to welcome back one of our faves, staff writer at the Atlantic. Her latest piece is the most nihilistic conflict on earth about Sudan's civil war and how the cuts to USAID have exacerbated the crisis. Her book, Autocracy Inc. will be out in paperback later this month. It's Ann Applebaum. And I got to tell you, I was asking my husband last night. I said, do you have any questions for Ann Applebaum? He takes a deep breath and sighs. And he says, no, I don't think I can handle hearing any more bad news from Ann Applebaum. I was like, that's sad. We love Ann Applebaum. So can you just give our listeners some uplift before we have to hear about famine and autocracy?

1:17.5

Is there anything happening your life this summer that brings you joy?

1:22.1

So I'm speaking to you from the very deep Polish countryside.

1:30.2

And I would like to report that after three years of trying, this year, I got my wildflowers to grow. So I now have a kind of meadow where wildflowers grow and they've killed off the weeds. So the wildflowers

1:36.0

defeated the weeds. And this is the first time it's happened. What are the colors of wildflowers in

1:39.1

the Polish countryside? There are many, many colors, yellow and blue and kind of light violet.

1:44.0

They're very nice. That's beautiful. You might want to post, do you have an Instagram? Are you an Instagram? I have an Instagram and I have already posted pictures of my wildflower garden. Okay, well, maybe I'm not following that. I've got following an Applebaum on Instagram, it turns out. Okay. Wonderful. We'll check that out. Now, to real business. I'm going to spend plenty of time on Sudan at the end because it's interesting and has a lot of geopolitical impacts, but we do have unfortunately some sad homefront news we've got to get to on your autocracy beat. Tim Apple, Tim Cook, CEO of one of the most successful companies in the world, untold amounts of money is concerned about

2:19.9

the tariffs that the U.S. is going to charge on the equipment in his phones. He was a little

2:26.0

concerned that the Commerce Secretary Howard Nutlick was out there talking about how Americans

2:29.5

are going to start screwing in the screws on the phones. So to take care of that, he was

2:33.4

yesterday in the White House,

2:35.1

and he offered Donald Trump a plaque with a 24-carat gold base. He says this is a unique unit of one.

2:43.0

He wanted to let the president know that a former U.S. Marine Corporal, who now works at Apple,

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