Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koffelman. Thanks for listening. I'm really,

really deeply pleased to have Anna-Sale on the podcast today. I've been listening,

I've been listening to your podcast since the first start. Like I think I probably was in on

episode two of your of your show. And because I think you had Jason on in the second season, right?

Or Jason and Amanda, like the fourth, were they on like the fourth episode for something?

Yeah. Right. I didn't go look that up. I just remembered that. Like I'm not looking at it.

That's cool. And so maybe that's when I started listening, episode four of your show.

And I went back then and I listened to the, you know, I haven't heard every single episode,

but I've heard many of them, which is why I was so psyched when you sent me your book and

really enjoyed it. And it made me think about a lot of stuff. Let's talk about hard things.

Is the name of Anna's new book. It is out now. You can order it. And you should order it.

And you should listen to her podcast, sex, death, and money, death, sex, and money.

Death, sex, and money. Death, sex, and money. Yes. And all sort of like crucial themes.

The podcast deals with those issues in a really direct way through narrative. And

Anna, your book deals with these themes too. And more than on the show, though, of course,

on the show we get to, is on any podcast or radio. Should we get to know you?

But we get to really know you differently in the book. And because the book is I'd say a third,

maybe a quarter, memoir. Yeah. And how did you come to that choice as to be the way to frame this,

this journey into figuring out how we ought to talk to each other and what we think about these

things and grow and everything? Yeah. I mean, I started writing, you know, and I,

my background is journalism. So I, when I start, my, my muscle memory first is always like,

I don't have anything to write until I've done the reporting, until I found the people that I

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