Welcome to the Our Henhouse interview.

I'm Jasmine Singer.

I'm Mary Ann Sullivan.

And we're going to be joined in just a minute by some wonderful guests,

Liv Baker and Kristen Stewart, who are going to be talking about panworks. And I'm going to let you talk to them

directly about what it is and what they think about it and why they think this is a new way forward

in terms of turning theory into action when it comes to animals, which is so cool,

Marian, because I, you know, you and I have given talks at various universities. And I have from

some of them come away thinking, like, are we just sort of talking to the people at the table?

Like what, what's going on? I love the idea

of turning theory into action. Just a quick reminder that the Our Hen House podcasts are now

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hit subscribe and like wherever you listen. All right. So now let's get to it. Marianne, do you want to

introduce our guests? Sure. Liv Baker is a conservation behaviorist and expert in wild animal

well-being as a chair of the Board of PanWorks.

She also teaches at Sarah Lawrence.

Kristen Stewart is an attorney, scholar, teacher, and founding board member of PanWorks.

And her work bridges legal practice and ethical theory with a focus on how we care for and represent animals in law and policy. And I'm excited

about this conversation because, as Jasmine just said, like, we spend a lot of time talking about

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