Summary
The Animal Welfare (Sentience) Bill, currently working its way through Parliament, would for the first time formally recognise that animals have the ability to experience feelings, including pain, joy and fear. If the law is passed, the government will establish an Animal Sentience Committee to scrutinise policy. Many hope it would offer animals greater protection - only this week, the BBC’s Panorama programme revealed that rules designed to protect horses from a cruel death appear to be regularly ignored at one of the UK's biggest abattoirs. Some want the bill to go even further by including invertebrates, which, for example, could ban the practice of boiling crustaceans alive. Critics of the proposals believe current animal welfare legislation is sufficient and worry about the unintended consequences for farming, fishing and countryside sports. They argue there should be no contradiction in the idea that a nation of ‘animal lovers’ could eat billions of them every year. The way we treat (and whether we eat) animals has important implications, not just for the status of animals, but for the status of human beings. A rights-based approach has argued that since the moral status of humans overlaps with some animals, we should consider those animals equally deserving of rights. Others believe that elevating the status of animals diminishes the uniqueness of human beings. Is it time to think of some animals not just as having rights, but as occupying the same moral universe as humans, worthy of our trust and capable of being betrayed? Or should the relationship between man and beast always be seen as one of human dominion? With Jim Barrington, Claire Bass, Dr Steve Cooke and Nick Zangwill.
Producers: Dan Tierney and Phil Pegum.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to a program from BBC Radio 4. |
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| 0:12.0 | Good evening. Speaking personally, I've always felt a bit inferior to the cat, |
| 0:16.1 | the lofty disdain and well-organised lifestyle, I suppose. |
| 0:19.6 | And after seeing that octopus film, I'm not |
| 0:21.8 | that confident I could beat the better class of cephalopod at Sudoku either. They got brains in their |
| 0:26.3 | armpits, apparently, and lots of arms, of course. Parliament isn't far behind. There's a bill going |
| 0:32.2 | through that will recognise in law for the first time that animals have feelings. Pain, pleasure, fear, maybe affection, |
| 0:39.3 | trust, betrayal. This could lead to a broader definition of animal cruelty, covering a wider |
| 0:45.3 | range of species, invertebrates, for instance, and a sharp increase in the penalties for it. |
| 0:50.6 | There are those who worry about the consequences for farming, fishing, country sports. There |
| 0:55.3 | are deeper arguments, though, about whether animals can have rights as such when they don't |
| 0:59.6 | have obligations, and though this is sometimes disputed, cannot distinguish between good and bad. |
| 1:05.6 | The root issue is whether they inhabit the same moral universe as us, or are we, ethically speaking, unique? |
| 1:13.0 | We may think the argument against cruelty to animals is clear-cut, |
| 1:16.9 | merely a matter of setting the boundaries. |
| 1:18.9 | The real question, perhaps, is why, and the moral nature of the relationship. |
| 1:23.3 | That's our moral maze tonight. |
| 1:24.4 | The panel, Melanie Phillips, social commentator at the Times, |
| 1:27.5 | Mona Siddiqui, professor of Islamic and inter-religious studies at Edinburgh University, |
| 1:32.0 | the historian Tim Stanley, and the political strategist and chief executive of the NHS Confederation, |
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