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visit AAM.com slash future. Hi everybody welcome to to Shift, a podcast about mobility. I'm your host Pete Bigelow.

My guest today is Transportation Consultant Safety Advocate and author Angie Schmidt.

We'll be discussing the scourge of pedestrian fatalities that I mentioned on last week's show,

which has swept across the country and seemingly gets worse every day. But first and perhaps on a less

grim topic, you may have seen the news this week that a cruise autonomous vehicle was

recently pulled over by police officers in San Francisco because the vehicle did not have its headlights on at night.

After stopping, at one point, the vehicle drove away before one of the officers was done investigating. That brought some laughs and

cackles from diners at a nearby restaurant who of course caught the whole

thing on video, but the whole incident is no laughing matter, according to Carnegie Mellon Professor

an autonomous vehicle safety consultant Phil Coatman.

Phil who is also a one-time shift podcast guest

said this, and I quote

Cruz should take this as a wake-up call to get their safety house in order

before they have a big event. Blaming safety critical failures on human error

is generally indicative of a poor safety culture, end quote.

Which is thought that was a very interesting observation

I wanted to share.

You may know as part of its driverless permit in California

Cruz does have a law enforcement interaction plan on file and for those of

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