Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Loomery Media, I'm Russell Brand.

Thanks for bearing with us while I had a holiday, I understand you've got all sorts of

Loominary podcast, Shot Down Your Luggies, Cosmic Milkshake or Mystical Milkshakeake the thing with Resa Azlan and

Ray Wilson.

They're pretty cool with those guys and I know them both.

This week I spoke with Angela Nagel.

Angela is a writer and cultural commentator whose workers appeared in the Baffler,

current affairs, the Irish Times and many other journals.

I was turned on to it by my mate Pope, who's a comedian who works in an old folks home.

He said, care home I guess you call it.

He's pretty interesting and out there character.

I like him a lot.

And then I checked in about Angela Nagel having read her book, Kill Normies with Adam Curtis and asked if he'd read it. He said of course he's read it and he knows her a bit and he thinks it's a brilliant book. The book is about their online culture awards from Fortune to Tumblr to Trump and the alt right.

It's earned her the title an old leftist idea of what a young leftist should be.

By her detractors, that's her detractors. We're putting her detractors

words in. And one of the brightest lights in a new generation of left writers who

have declared independence from intellectual conformity by her champions. But me personally personally what I thought was a bloody brilliant

thorough in-depth book that traced how marginal ideas from the online world have infiltrated what used to be called mainstream culture but surely

now these terms are no longer relevant as the boundary start to melt.

Okay, well we're getting to that in a minute.

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