Angela Davis on socialism, how change happens and growing up in segregated Alabama
Ways to Change the World with Krishnan Guru-Murthy
Channel 4 News
4.6 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 25 March 2022
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Summary
Her involvement with a politically distorted murder trial sent her into hiding, becoming one of the FBI’s most wanted. She spent 18 months in jail before she was acquitted of all charges.
She returned to teaching, writing a series of seminal books on social justice and equality. She joined Krishnan to talk about Socialism, how change happens, and her life.
Produced by: Shaheen Sattar and Nina Hodgson
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Ways to Change the World. I'm Christian Dury Murphy, and this is |
| 0:07.2 | the podcast in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas in their lives |
| 0:11.5 | and the events that are quite shameful. My guest this week has been trying to change |
| 0:15.2 | the world her whole adult life. Angela Davis became famous in 1970 as one of America's |
| 0:21.4 | most wanted. She spent time in jail accused of supplying weapons that were used in a courtroom |
| 0:27.5 | attack but she was cleared of all the charges and she began a lifelong struggle to abolish America's |
| 0:34.2 | prisons. She's also a very famous feminist, a lifelong academic in California and has been at |
| 0:41.8 | the forefront of the struggle for racial justice in America. Angela Davis, welcome. |
| 0:51.1 | Angela Davis, the world is looking on with horror largely at what's going on in Ukraine. |
| 0:56.8 | What's your feeling about it? Well, it's really devastating to have to experience, |
| 1:03.4 | but I want to also think about the coverage of the war on Ukraine in connection with the withdrawal |
| 1:12.0 | from Afghanistan. And I'm wondering now why there was not nearly as much media attention given |
| 1:20.9 | to the devastation that was produced by the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. The situation there |
| 1:28.6 | is far worse than it was when Obama first sent troops there. So I'm trying to understand |
| 1:37.0 | the need for an anti-war movement now and how that anti-war movement might make connections to |
| 1:45.6 | other social justice struggles that are unfolding. When you talk about anti-war though, |
| 1:51.7 | I mean, what does the anti-war movement do about a war like Ukraine where there is a clear |
| 1:57.8 | aggressor and Ukraine is now seeking to fight back? Well, you know, as we have done for decades and |
| 2:08.3 | decades, we call for it into the war. We say, never again. This definitely should not have happened. |
| 2:18.2 | And at the same time, I think we have to be more nuanced in our engagement with what is happening |
| 2:26.0 | in the Ukraine. We should recognize that there are problems with the involvement of white supremacists |
| 2:35.3 | and Nazis within the military. So I think that this is an occasion for us to |
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