Andy Beshear and Terry Moran: The Power of Normal People
The Bulwark Podcast
The Bulwark
4.6 • 8.9K Ratings
🗓️ 4 November 2025
⏱️ 74 minutes
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Summary
Gov. Andy Beshear and Terry Moran join Tim Miller.
show notes
- The Bulwark's Special Election Night Coverage at 8ET
- Bill and JVL on the legacy of Dick Cheney
- Terry's Substack
- Terry's recent reporting from Chicago
- Andrew's recent interview with Iowa's Rob Sand
- To get 6 bottles of wine for $39.99, head to NakedWines.com/THEBULWARK and use code THEBULWARK for both the code AND PASSWORD.
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, y'all, we got an absolutely packed show today, but I got a few quick notes for you. |
| 0:03.5 | First, we're going to stay mostly away from today's off-year elections of Virginia, New Jersey, and New York, as we're going to have a deep dive on that on tomorrow's pod. And if you want to join us to watch along live tonight, we're going to have a full rundown on YouTube, starting at 8 Eastern with Sam Stein and some friends, and then we're going to have a |
| 0:20.9 | live next level podcast sometime around 9-15-ish when we have a sense for the results. So |
| 0:25.7 | hang out with us on YouTube tonight. Before we get to our guests, Governor Andy Mishir and |
| 0:31.1 | Terry Moran, who I'm super excited about. I wanted to speak briefly about the death of Dick Cheney. |
| 0:36.6 | Bill Crystal and JVL will have much more on that over on the Bullwark-Takes feed, if that is of interest. |
| 0:42.8 | But as for me, I never worked for Dick Cheney. |
| 0:44.9 | I don't think I ever met him, not that I can recall. |
| 0:47.8 | I was a campaign guy of a different era. |
| 0:49.9 | It's an unfortunate reality that the first line of any obit about the former vice president |
| 0:54.9 | must be his spearheading of the disastrous Iraq war, which was somehow the single worst policy choice of my lifetime, including all the crap Trump has thrust upon us. |
| 1:05.8 | There was a war that caused incalculable death and suffering for far too many. |
| 1:10.1 | And shit, I mean, i think it very well may |
| 1:12.9 | have led us to this populist nationalist moment so i don't i don't think there's any sense in trying |
| 1:19.1 | to spin or whitewash that but alongside of that humans are complicated and complex we all contain |
| 1:26.3 | noble and ignoble within us. |
| 1:28.5 | If nothing else, we know that Dick Cheney was a good and loyal father and husband. |
| 1:32.7 | I went back and rewatch the 2000 vice presidential debate, and he basically comes to the left of Joe Lieberman on the question of gay marriage. |
| 1:40.7 | He said he wanted to be open-minded and tolerant on that. He said that the state |
| 1:44.4 | should decide. He was no doubt influenced in those remarks by his daughter, Mary. Then four years |
| 1:51.4 | later, in August 2004, while the Bush campaign was running a decidedly ignoble tactics on the topic, |
| 1:57.2 | Dick Cheney spoke out at a campaign stop in Mississippi, of all places. |
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