And Aureel is a technology defense company with a focus on drones, computer vision, and other

problems related to national security.

It's a full-stack company that builds its own hardware and software, which leads to a great

many interesting questions about cloud services, engineering workflows, and management.

Gokul Sabramaniam is Senior Vice President of Engineering for Software Programs at Andereal Industries.

He joins the show to share his knowledge of the national security problem set, how Anderreal

operates, and what the company has built.

This episode is hosted by Sean Falconer.

Check the show notes for more information on Sean's work and where to find him.

Go-Kohl, welcome the show. Hey, Sean, thanks for having me. Great to be here.

Yeah, awesome. Actually, I probably should have said welcome back to the show because you're actually here like four years ago.

That's right. In the middle of COVID, actually, I recorded it from my apartment.

So it's great to be here in a proper studio with the right recording setup.

Yeah, for sure. I think people's home equipment setups have really evolved in the last couple of years because so many people working for remote.

That's exactly right. I remember slowly upgrading my home office over that year.

Yeah, exactly. It went from like a laptop on your kid's bed to like an actual like functioning office.

You start thinking about your background. What are people going to be staring at? I got to like,

you know, put some posters back there. You got to get the lights, you know, beaming at your face.

So yeah. Yeah, I remember I was at Google at the time of the start of the pandemic and like the senior director of engineering, like his first meetings were legitimately. He was sitting on

like a child's bed in a child's bathroom. And I think I'm sure it evolved significantly since then.

Yeah. And for us, you know, we're such an in-office culture. And now we completely are back

to that in-office mode that, you know, we were wholly unprepared. And I remember during that

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