I. Hello I'm Tom Gilson. Today's ID The Future Podcast brings you Edgar

Award-winning novelist and Daily Wire commentator Andrew Clavin hosting a

clear-headed conversation with the Discovery Institute's

Stephen C Meyer about Meyer's recently released book, Return of the God Hypothesis,

three scientific discoveries that reveal the mind behind the universe.

Clay then is first to speak as we begin.

So I have been really looking forward to today's interview.

I've been arguing for a long time that

atheists are basically trapped in the 20th century that their philosophy has

become scientifically obsolete and I just read a terrific book called The Return of the God

hypothesis by Stephen Meyer. Stephen Meyer directs the Discovery Institute

the Discovery Institute Center for Discovery Institute's Center for Science and

culture in Seattle as a former geophysicist. He's written bestsellers, Darwin's

Doubt, the explosive origin of animal life in the case for intelligent design,

signature in the cell and his latest

is the USA Today Best Seller Return of the God Hypotheses, which I read.

I just think it's terrific.

Steve, thank you so much for coming on, I appreciate it.

Thank you, Andrew, for having me on it. It's a great privilege. It is it's a terrific book. It really is. It's rigorous. It's not tendentious. You don't just say what you want to be true you make your arguments really

clearly i want to talk before we get into the argument the subtitle of the book is the

three discoveries that have brought the god hypothesis back into play.

And before we get to those three discoveries,

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