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Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Andres Gomez-Emilsson: Mathematical Models That Predict DMT Trips

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

4.6606 Ratings

🗓️ 17 September 2025

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Andrés Gómez-Emilsson reveals mathematical models that predict the geometry and patterns of DMT experiences. They explore how color geometry, GPU‑driven tools, and concepts like psychedelic thermodynamics can map qualia beyond ordinary sensory input.SPONSORS:- Verso Nightcap Elixir: 15% off your first order - https://evening.ver.so/toe - I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE RESOURCES:- Join My New Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com - Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You were separated from the universe by these topological defects.

0:03.2

I turned into just one point, and then that point disappeared.

0:05.7

There's no way to distinguish one thing from another, and there is no internal passage of time.

0:12.6

Today, Andreas Gomez-Emelson of the Qualia Research Institute discloses his new paradigm for modeling psychedelic perception,

0:20.0

as well as what he thinks is actually

0:21.9

occurring ontologically, not just perceptually under psychedelics. His views are informed by research

0:27.9

conducted over the past decade with hundreds of psychedelic trips in controlled settings ranging

0:32.8

from LSD to Silla Seidman to DMT to 5MEO. We discussed the mathematical underpinnings of perceptions

0:39.3

behind psychedelic states, including, of course, the visual distortions and why we get that feeling of

0:44.3

oneness, sometimes even nothingness, and fractalness. We even cover those so-called beings encountered

0:50.5

in DMT trips, such as the mantis being. This was filmed at the MIT lab and was the

0:56.0

last headline event put on by the Augmentation Lab Summit hosted by MIT researcher Danya Baradari.

1:02.7

I'm honored to have been invited. The summit featured talks on the future of biological and

1:07.1

artificial intelligence, brain interfaces, and included speakers such as Stephen Wolfe from,

1:13.1

the interview of which is on this channel as well. Enjoy.

1:16.8

This is Augmentation Lab Summit Weekend, put on by Augmentation Lab at MIT Media Lab.

1:22.2

We're here live recording with an in-studio audience.

1:25.3

Thank you all for coming and waiting.

1:30.5

Okay. with an in-studio audience. Thank you all for coming and waiting. Okay, Andres.

1:33.0

Hello, hello.

1:34.4

Why don't you give a brief introduction to who you are and why you're relevant to people who are psychonauts and psychedelics.

1:40.4

Oh, psychedelic research.

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